Well here goes. I have to build a system for my system in law, which has to be able to run random old games and slightly newer ones on not all that high settings (and obviously function as a proper household PC to do your homework on). Software will be provided by moi and can be said to cost 0 euro. I will personally provide a PSU (400W cooler master, with enough on 12V), a screen (15 inch lcd yeay !) and wireless USB dongle. I can also throw in a DVD reader on IDE I guess, not sure if I have that lying around here. Aside from that I know my way around the PC and I will build the system. Thing is, I have a budget as they have a budget . And it's pretty tight. The total spendings cannot exceed 150 euro's (by much). From this money I have already purchased 4 gigabytes of DDR3 memory for the great sum of 12 euro 70 cents. With the current hard disk prices, the budget doesn't really stretch. Personally I was thinking along the lines of a cheap 37 euro Biostar (oh gawd, first time for everything I guess) AM3 board (alternative is a 43 euro gigabyte board) 35 euro's for the Athlon II 250 from a friend of mine Which would leave 78 euro's to purchase a disk (possibly second hand) and grafics card. Again that quickly leads to not all that great a prospects. The disk is easily 25 euro's thus 50 euro's for the card. The case will have to be scavenged from somewhere as do the keyboard and mouse...... From what I gather a 5770 can be bought for roughly 50 euro's (nearly new and slightly lower secondhand). I currently game on that, so that works . Alternatively, I could go for an Intel G530 (41 euro's, new) together with a 45-48 (Asrock - Gigabyte) euro motherboard. That would leave 50 euro's, but should be a more powerfull CPU. As you can see, in order to create a medium range PC, I seem to be short around 30 euro's or so... Any thoughts on what would be the best course of action ? Games wise I suppose I could leave out the grafics card, seeing as the mentioned games pretty much ran on specs from the stone age (Empire Earth). Not sure if the onboard 3450 / 4350 would be powerfull enough to run things reasonably on slightly more expensive AMD boards... However I seem to be able to get a 4850 for 35 euro's 2nd hand in the neighbourhood. Ah yes, and as for keyboard and mouse, a simple 20 euro logitech set will suffice. That can be added to the budget (making it 170) or if at all possible could be payed from the 150.