Judge grants Sony's requests selectively.

[Raiser]

If i was geohot I would have made sure they couldn't get the data on my computer

Just sayingQUOTE(Oveneise @ Feb 11 2011, 01:37 AM) He (Geohot) should just format his HD with a special kind of tool, so it can't be retrieved and make a text file on the root titled:

ps3 hacking instructions.txt

Sony would open it up and it would say:


"Lol, ur security = epic phail"

Useless posts.

Sony would know that he would be hiding something and would only make the situation worse.

ON-TOPIC: Obvious grants are obvious. There was no way the court would allow Sony to gather a bunch of IPs and other information. Makes sense that the Judge would allow Sony to search Mr. Homebrew's system(s).

 

[Oveneise]

The question is, is once and if Sony gets this info on how he hacked the system, how will it help Sony stop piracy on their system? A little late for that...

 

[RupeeClock]

Thank god, Sony need to learn their place that they can't just police their entire market or anyone that has any contact with something they made.

 

[Rydian]

If I'm not mistaken, you'd be required to give the password to unlock the encrypted drive or face obstruction of justice (or something along those lines).The "plausible deniability" section shows you how to get around that, it's why I pointed it out (after the tutorial). It's done by having a hidden truecrypt volume within a truecrypt volume. Since anything within a volume appears as random shit, they can't prove that there's a volume within a volume. It is more hassle than just saving your shit to your desktop, though.

QUOTE(Oveneise @ Feb 10 2011, 10:37 PM) He (Geohot) should just format his HD with a special kind of tool, so it can't be retrieved and make a text file on the root titled:

ps3 hacking instructions.txt

Sony would open it up and it would say:

"Lol, ur security = epic phail"

That's illegal.

 

[Oveneise]

If I'm not mistaken, you'd be required to give the password to unlock the encrypted drive or face obstruction of justice (or something along those lines).The "plausible deniability" section shows you how to get around that, it's why I pointed it out (after the tutorial). It's done by having a hidden truecrypt volume within a truecrypt volume. Since anything within a volume appears as random shit, they can't prove that there's a volume within a volume. It is more hassle than just saving your shit to your desktop, though.

QUOTE(Oveneise @ Feb 10 2011, 10:37 PM) He (Geohot) should just format his HD with a special kind of tool, so it can't be retrieved and make a text file on the root titled:

ps3 hacking instructions.txt

Sony would open it up and it would say:

"Lol, ur security = epic phail"

That's illegal.

Everything is illegal.

 

[BloodyFlame]

The question is, is once and if Sony gets this info on how he hacked the system, how will it help Sony stop piracy on their system? A little late for that...

They just want those involved in jail or sued.

 

[Raiser]

The question is, is once and if Sony gets this info on how he hacked the system, how will it help Sony stop piracy on their system? A little late for that...

They're not looking to stop piracy with their case against geohot. They're looking for evidence against him, presumably to try and win the lawsuit.

 

[elimist]

There are ways to hide it, but it's apparently quite easy to find it if you look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueCrypt#Ide...ueCrypt_volumes

Yeah, but you can have a volume inside another true-crypt volume and you can't prove that the inner volume exists (plausible deniability).

 

[Bladexdsl]

bwahahaha sonys attempt to take over the internet HAS FAILED!

 

[twiztidsinz]

There are ways to hide it, but it's apparently quite easy to find it if you look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueCrypt#Ide...ueCrypt_volumes

Yeah, but you can have a volume inside another true-crypt volume and you can't prove that the inner volume exists (plausible deniability).

Let's say you have a 1GB TrueCrypt volume, we'll call it TC1.
Inside that 1GB TrueCrypt volume you have another 256MB TrueCrypt volume, TC2.

When they look at your harddrive, they'll notice that there is a 1GB block of data that can't be accessed and then force you to open TC1.
When they look inside TC1, they'll notice that there is a block of data that is 256MB and otherwise unaccessable they'll force you to open that too.

Seriously, it's like saying "I'll hide my porn in a box.. then hide that box in a bigger box! If they look inside the first box, all they'll see is a BOX!!"

 

[Rydian]

No, dude, read the tutorial, it's actually pretty cool how it works.

 

[twiztidsinz]

No, dude, read the tutorial, it's actually pretty cool how it works.

Ah.. that is rather interesting.

because free space on any TrueCrypt volume is always filled with random data when the volume is created** and no part of the (dismounted) hidden volume can be distinguished from random data.

I'm not sure if that was mentioned last time I read up on TrueCrypt, or if I just skipped over it.
It was interesting to read about and mess around with, but served no practical use for me.


What I like more though is the Deniable Encryption: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption#ScenarioQUOTE('Deniable Encryption')

Scenario

Deniable encryption allows the sender of an encrypted message to deny sending that message. This requires a trusted third party. A possible scenario works like this:
[*]Alice is the wife of Bob, who suspects his wife is engaged in adultery. She wants to communicate with her secret lover Carl. She creates two keys, one intended to be kept secret, the other intended to be sacrificed. She passes the secret key (or both) to Carl.[*]Alice constructs a harmless message M1 about some boring stuff for Carl (intended to be revealed to Bob in case of discovery) and a burning love letter M2 to Carl. She constructs a cipher-text C out of both messages M1, M2 and emails it to Carl.[*]Carl uses his key to decrypt M2 and possibly M1 (in order to know the fake message, too).[*]Bob finds out about the email to Carl, becomes suspicious and forces Alice to decrypt the message.[*]Alice uses the sacrificial key and reveals the message M1 about the boring stuff to Bob. Since Bob does not know the other key, he has to assume that there is no other message M2.
Another possible scenario involves Alice sending the same ciphertext to Bob and Carl, to whom she has sent different keys. Bob's key could decrypt the ciphertext to a claim that Carl has maligned Bob, and Carl's key could decrypt the ciphertext to a claim that Bob has maligned Carl. Under the assumption that neither Bob nor Carl can find out each other's keys, Alice's ruse would never be discovered unless Bob and Carl find out that they have different keys.

 

[Rydian]

I made sure to point out that section after the tutorial because there's multiple ways to make and use a truecrypt volume with various advantages and disadvantages.

I just have a static-size mountable file-partition for my porn, I don't need anything more complex than that.

 

[GH0ST]

I am done with SONY and their products , they will not see a single penny from me.. .They say they have the right to protect their "property" , funny when i buy something i kinda consider it "MY" property.
Welcome to the club +1

I agree with having his stuff searched, don't agree with Sony getting to do it.

Does anyone else find it scary that Sony is the one doing the SEARCHING FOR EVIDENCE?

I'll suggest to those that are worried about privacy when it comes to property seizing to look into truecrypt.
http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/
You want "beginner's tutorial" and then especially "plausible deniability".

If I'm not mistaken, you'd be required to give the password to unlock the encrypted drive or face obstruction of justice (or something along those lines).

There are ways to hide it, but it's apparently quite easy to find it if you look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueCrypt#Ide...ueCrypt_volumes

The judge ordered Sony and Kellar to confer with each other on the parameters of where and when Hotz would allow Sony to sift through his computer. I guess it is supervised by the Judge, third party expert, or at least in presence of the defender and his lawyers.

Tools like TCHunt cannot differentiate between a standard volume and a hidden one. It is always possible to hide an hidden one with a strong password in another one and you just confess the obvious one.

Off course It is always possible to bypass general computer security but without being keylogged it is relatively secure

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Sony is facing its own set of problems. A Sony employee accidentally re-tweeted the code key to the PlayStation 3, which would allow any user to get around the very copy protections Sony is currently arguing about in court.

 

[Omega_2]

It’s information. It can’t be retrieved. It’s just not practical. What would they do, Xerox it and mail it back?

Dunno about you, but I found that gave me quite the chuckle.

Also,

I wonder what apple is doing right now...? I wonder if....no, couldn't be..

 

[Joe88]

Sony is facing its own set of problems. A Sony employee accidentally re-tweeted the code key to the PlayStation 3, which would allow any user to get around the very copy protections Sony is currently arguing about in court.

once again as I stated in the other thread

the code that was retweeted was for the usb hmac

 

[GH0ST]

once again as I stated in the other thread

the code that was retweeted was for the usb hmac

Ok thanks I missed that

 

[Stevetry]

sony wants the info off the internet is that even possible ?

 

[Omega_2]

Nope.
It'd be like trying to say there is no corruption in businesses

 

[FireGrey]

Well ofcourse they are going to be taking this very far.
The system is highly popular with developers and has a great online with no hackers.
and all that changes because people deside to crack their sytem.
Put on sony's shoes and think about what you wopuld do if a system you made got hacked.