Hacking ISP contacted me

[wchill]

Can we stop quoting the link? Oh and hi Myke.

 

[lenitao]

My ISP contacted me by letter alerting us of a second offense for illegally downloading wii games! It says to contact them within 10 days or get the service shut off... I am like freaked out because I have never gotten one of these before. What is going to happen? Any suggestions to what I should do? No more downloading for me!

you are supposed to only download games you own, if you didn't know....

 

[wchill]

Downloading them is still illegal. You have to dump them yourself, and it's still technically illegal.

 

[joda]

With regards to the Wireless defence, and people's skepticism towards it. Here in scandinavia, the laws have recently given copyright holders more power to sue people back and forth for downloading, but mainly uploading.

In Denmark, which have had the laws ratified the longest, the Wireless defence have proved working time and again. The only three or four cases in Denmark, since 2003 i think, that has lead to anyone loosing to the industry, were due to people admitting guilt; ALL cases where people claimed that someone had been using, either their computer or, their Wi-fi connection walked.

The industry have to, at least still in Scandinavia, prove that actually you as a person have committed the act. And with a wireless router (with NAT of course) even the MAC adress can't say squat (and this can of course also be spoofed anyway, so), since all share the one of the router.

 

[skedone]

lol you do know that torrents are about as safe as playing with matches wile covered in petrol, also bittorrent encryption is very week and they have the master cipher Bram Cohen sold out and gave it to mpaa and riaa. so yeah newbinz or rapidshare

 

[wingzrow]

Chart for piracy

 

[porchemasi]

usenet is a 1 way connection from you to the usenet server to download files from them .... safer yes but i mean the ISP can still "see" the packets (encrypted or not) .... but indeed it is faster and somewhat safer !

 

[penetr8or]

I only got one such DMCA takedown notice once ever.
The story here is, I was seeding a movie and the "copyright holders" had complained about it.

I was furious when I called them, but they didn't listen to me, so I went so far as to go pay them a visit, with all my papers including my script and raw tapes plus the finished movie I was seeding.. Made by me, and meant to be free for all!

Since then, I've had the CEO (or some other hotshots) from my ISP call me a couple of times to tell me there's been a complaint made.. Asking if I have downloaded/uploaded anything illegal.
All I have to say no, and they thank me before hanging up. Never take it further than that

usenet is a 1 way connection from you to the usenet server to download files from them .... safer yes but i mean the ISP can still "see" the packets (encrypted or not) .... but indeed it is faster and somewhat safer !

What they see is blank data.. Pure 0's is what the ISP can see..
A former coworker of mine used to work at an ISP and had his own line monitored when he switched to using usenet.
So yeah, it's quite safe

 

[SgtYutz]

easiest way to get games without lawsuit is get a internet rental subscription(like gamefly), wait a few days. rip, burn, send for the next game!

just like payin for usenet but nothing the isp or mpaa can moniter

 

[wchill]

But some snitch standing behind you might.

 

[SgtYutz]

But some snitch standing behind you might.

then i kick his ass

 

[coedshowers]

deny everything say you have a wireless router and dont know how to set the whop key ( makes you sound dumb which is good ) and then they will bitch at u and not do shit... wireless = it could be anyone..

 

[Cuber]

But don't ISP's have in their agreement that the account holder is responsible for anything anyone does on their connection regardless of stuff like that?

 

[Stang]

But don't ISP's have in their agreement that the account holder is responsible for anything anyone does on their connection regardless of stuff like that?

Yes, but a lot of people in this thread seem to love to ignore it. You are responsible for your network. You may get a warning the first time, but the bullshit excuse of unsecured wireless won't hold much weight if you are a repeat offender.

Your ISP doesn't give a shit what you do until they have a reason to. If they did care, 80% of the world would be waiting for their day in court due to copyright infringement.

 

[BlueStar]

Whenever ISPs or anyone else for that matter say they're going for "downloaders" they always actually mean they're going for uploaders - including people who download through file-sharing methods such as torrents where you are also distributing the material and often doing so in an absolutely balls-out way where anyone in the world can see you doing it. If anyone can show me someone who got pulled up for breaching copyright laws by downloading and downloading alone, either in terms of a court case, threat of legal action or a warning from their ISP, I'd love to see it.

The headlines of "Fine/warning letters/disconnection/jail time for illegal downloaders" are just scaremongering tactics. Whenever you read the article it's always clear it was or will be uploaders on the receiving end. As far as I've seen anyway, I've never seen anyone punished for just downloading copyrighted material from usenet, IRC bots, direct downloads, FTPs or sites like rapidshare - where they are genuinely downloaders and not also uploaders.

 

[SoLuckys]

just ignore it

 

[djtaz]

Someone mentioned ISP's can see your Mac address and someone else replied no so i wanted to clarify.

I work for a business ISP and we can see bandwidth usage on all routers going back over a few months, but on the bandwidth monitoring the information is quite limited, however , i can also log directy into any of the customers routers and get the internal IP , Ip its connecting to , the ports being used , and matching mac address for any IP address on the Lan internally. I can also check how much data is going to each PC on the internal network and determine which is using the most bandwidth.

ISP's can pretty much check anything ... if they could be bothered (which generally im not) and can place blocks on IP's or even mac addresses (which i do from time to time as its a business network).

That being said , and on a more personal level, i can crack a WEP password in about 3 minutes and i can spoof my Mac address and IP address on my own laptop in either windows or Linux , so if i can do it others can do it , so if i happen to be downloading something , and they have my mac address and IP address , i can prove without a shadow of a doubt that its entierly possible for someone else to clone my PC's Mac address and IP address , and as such there is never any proof that it was me downloading anything.

This is also true for anyone else on here - proving its the person in question from an ISP point of view is impossible - the only way to get close is to physically have the data on a Harddrive and prove the person was on the PC at the time the stuff was downloaded - pretty much impossible.

 

[HaTaX]

You should come out and say how you were obtaining them so that others may learn that it is not a safe method. Honestly, if you're too open with any communication you allow your computer to have with just anyone, you're bound to get bit by this eventually.

Don't fret the letter, but start being responsible also. People that download 5-10 images may actually have a legitimate desire to backup their own games and don't have the skills to back games up themselves. Honestly, it's still not legal, and I'll stop right there with that.

 

[NeoDraven]

I've gotten a total of three letters since 2002, on three different computers, for three completely different files. The first time, in 2002, I was using my roommate's PC to download Metroid Fusion for GBA, using iMesh (anyone remember that?). He got a pop-up letter from his ISP saying to delete that particular file. He did, and nothing further happened.

The second time, at a different place, in 2003 I got a letter from Nintendo saying that I had downloaded Zelda - Four Swords for GBA, using a random ROM site. Same thing, deleted and no further contact.

Third time was this year, using torrents, downloading Metroid Prime 3 Corruption for Wii. Again, different place, different provider. This time, my entire internet connection was suspended and when I tried to open Firefox, my homepage was replaced by a letter from Cox Cable, specifying what file I had downloaded, and even where it was on my hard drive, demanding that I delete it. My roommate couldn't connect to the internet, either. I was using a wireless network adapter, and he was hardwired to the cable modem. Unsurprisingly, I deleted the file and our service was instantly restored.

What concerns me about my own experience is that only Nintendo games have triggered any kind of service interruption so far. Perhaps they're just more savvy about people stealing their games.

 

[Vidboy10]

Strange, ive been useing uTorrent and DLing iso's and programs and tvshows for 7 months now and ive never got a single letter from ISP.
But i guess im just lucky.