iPad 3 event - March 7 2012

[Foxi4]

Now that's a tablet I'd buy. I'd be buying a portable PS3/Xbox 360, not just a huge and unconfotable to carry phone that doesn't make calls

From the hands-on videos I've seen so-far, they are really not kidding with the specs and the price is entirely justified - most games run on max details no problemo, so I'm guessing that the innards are "worth it".

 

[ShadowSoldier]

I'm not expecting anything really new, besides a nicer screen and better cameras. It doesn't matter what they add, just the fact that there's a new model means it will sell like crazy.

Here in Canada, I can't really see it selling as well as they might hope. Mainly because all the companies here like Rogers and such, are offering free tablets just for signing up for their services.

In that case they will recieve money from the carriers which do have to stock up accordingly to the demand, plus, many people may wish to upgrade at the end of their term. It really doesn't matter who's wallet is emptied - somebody will give Apple Teh Monniez.

It doesn't help when those tablets that they are giving out are Android tablets. But what I meant to say was that, the companies that are offering tablets, none of them are offering iPads, it's all Samsung and Acer and other tabs. Basically, they better have big fucking improvements in the next iPad (assuming that's what they'll be showing off).

 

[SifJar]

Wonder if they're going to be like "okay, we'll make our iOS customizable so you don't have to deal with our ****. It's your phone, you should have the right what it looks like and does".... nvm, I know they won't.

Customization would confuse your typical Apple fanboy too much. One of iOS's main "features" as far as I can see is it's simplicity and complete lack of customisation. Which makes it straightforward and simple enough for almost anyone to use. You bring in too much customisation and people (or rather, people who buy Apple products) get confused easily.

EDIT: BTW, I don't mean to offend people who buy Apple products - I am talking about a more "typical" Apple user, unlikely to be found on a forum like this one.

 

[Foxi4]

It doesn't help when those tablets that they are giving out are Android tablets. But what I meant to say was that, the companies that are offering tablets, none of them are offering iPads, it's all Samsung and Acer and other tabs. Basically, they better have big fucking improvements in the next iPad (assuming that's what they'll be showing off).

Apple and Big Improvements are rarely used in one sentence, I doubt that they will be sufficient enough to validate a purchase.

Still, people will buy it, for it is Apple and thus it is hip.

Projects like Fiona should be a wake-up call for Apple, Microsoft, Google and all other companies involved in tablet creation - minor boosts are no longer an option when miniaturisation has reached the point of fitting a gaming rig into a tablet.

I can understand that a $1000 bucks is alot of money, but cut down the specs to the ordinary mid-range PC, meaning an i-3 processor and some cheapo GeForce/Radeon and you got yourself a $500 deal with 10 times the potential of an Android or iOS tablet. They need to step it up and start putting proper operating systems on their creations, meaning Windows 7/8 and Mac OSX or they will eventually fade away in the sea of high-end tablets that will inevitably become accessible and affordable options soon.

I mean... Skyrim on Ultra on the go? I'm sold.

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[r3gR3t]

I mean... Skyrim on Ultra on the go? I'm sold.

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Seems to me the right stick needs a lot of effort to move the pointer in the selection screen. Maybe they need fo fix some stuff with the controlers??
Anyways, really awesome the can run this kind of game on a tablet like this.

 

[Foxi4]

Seems to me the right stick needs a lot of effort to move the pointer in the selection screen. Maybe they need fo fix some stuff with the controlers??
Anyways, really awesome the can run this kind of game on a tablet like this.

I believe there's an in-game setting to set the sensitivity of the pointer, the person who filmed this probably didn't want the view to go all uber-ape, it was supposed to show the capabilities not the gameplay.

 

[r3gR3t]

Seems to me the right stick needs a lot of effort to move the pointer in the selection screen. Maybe they need fo fix some stuff with the controlers??
Anyways, really awesome the can run this kind of game on a tablet like this.

I believe there's an in-game setting to set the sensitivity of the pointer, the person who filmed this probably didn't want the view to go all uber-ape, it was supposed to show the capabilities not the gameplay.

Lol, ok

 

[iFish]

I think I speak for everyone when I say:
Already!?

What do you mean "already?!" it has been about a year. And if memory serves me right, this keynote is one day later than last years. But I know they both took place in the same week. But that's besides the point.

I don't think this deserves an "already". Just look at ASUS. They update way faster than Apple and announced a new tablet a few weeks after releasing the Transformer Prime. Or, if you want to get really picky: Motorola Droid RAZR -> few weeks later RAZR MAXX.

A one year cycle for a tablet isn't that short.

 

[Foxi4]

What do you mean "already?!" it has been about a year. And if memory serves me right, this keynote is one day later than last years. But I know they both took place in the same week. But that's besides the point.

I don't think this deserves an "already". Just look at ASUS. They update way faster than Apple and announced a new tablet a few weeks after releasing the Transformer Prime. Or, if you want to get really picky: Motorola Droid RAZR -> few weeks later RAZR MAXX.

A one year cycle for a tablet isn't that short.

All the companies you mentioned have a strategy of releasing various products for various types of the target client to allow a degree of mix and match for the user, Apple when it comes to the iPad and iPhone politics chooses to only release one version of their hardware and repeatedly rework it - there is a huge difference between those two approaches.

 

[iFish]

What do you mean "already?!" it has been about a year. And if memory serves me right, this keynote is one day later than last years. But I know they both took place in the same week. But that's besides the point.

I don't think this deserves an "already". Just look at ASUS. They update way faster than Apple and announced a new tablet a few weeks after releasing the Transformer Prime. Or, if you want to get really picky: Motorola Droid RAZR -> few weeks later RAZR MAXX.

A one year cycle for a tablet isn't that short.

All the companies you mentioned have a strategy of releasing various products for various types of the target client to allow a degree of mix and match for the user, Apple when it comes to the iPad and iPhone politics chooses to only release one version of their hardware and repeatedly rework it - there is a huge difference between those two approaches.

I do not want to argue with you.

But anyway, releasing a new iPad every year is not unacceptable(unless you're "casual" and buy it late. But at that point, you don't care about the specs of the thing. Just want it to work as advertised. ).

Not like Apple will be killing off support for the iPad 2 very soon anyway.

 

[Foxi4]

I do not want to argue with you.

But anyway, releasing a new iPad every year is not unacceptable(unless you're "casual" and buy it late. But at that point, you don't care about the specs of the thing. Just want it to work as advertised. ).

Not like Apple will be killing off support for the iPad 2 very soon anyway.

Please don't lie to yourself - iPhones and iPads are like disposable cameras nowadays, when a new generation rolls in you can either update or wait patiently until your device proves to be "slow enough" not to support the latest update, virtually forcing you to upgrade your device. Of course, as deemed by Apple, not by factual performance.

By the time the iPad 3 reaches the shelves, iPad 1's will be worth as much as paper weights and iPad 2's will become less-then-desirable. I'm not even trying to argue, I'm establishing a well-known fact.

To further validate it, I can say that Apple purposely locked out SIRI compatibility with pre-4 iPhones despite the fact that there was nothing stopping earlier models from successfuly using the feature with no issues whatsoever, among other "quirks" of similar nature.

 

[chris888222]

What do you mean "already?!" it has been about a year. And if memory serves me right, this keynote is one day later than last years. But I know they both took place in the same week. But that's besides the point.

I don't think this deserves an "already". Just look at ASUS. They update way faster than Apple and announced a new tablet a few weeks after releasing the Transformer Prime. Or, if you want to get really picky: Motorola Droid RAZR -> few weeks later RAZR MAXX.

A one year cycle for a tablet isn't that short.

All the companies you mentioned have a strategy of releasing various products for various types of the target client to allow a degree of mix and match for the user, Apple when it comes to the iPad and iPhone politics chooses to only release one version of their hardware and repeatedly rework it - there is a huge difference between those two approaches.

I do not want to argue with you.

But anyway, releasing a new iPad every year is not unacceptable(unless you're "casual" and buy it late. But at that point, you don't care about the specs of the thing. Just want it to work as advertised. ).

Not like Apple will be killing off support for the iPad 2 very soon anyway.

I personally believe Apple will strike out the iPad 2 after the release of the 3.

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

 

[Foxi4]

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

I wonder what you'd do if Nintendo released a new DS each year cutting the compatibility and support to the previous model.

Apple gets a pass because it's Apple? I don't think so.

 

[prowler]

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

wtf am i reading

 

[Foxi4]

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

wtf am i reading

In rough translation, it's "Come on in, I'm almost ready. Let me refresh myself, head straight to the bedroom. The lube is on the nightstand - make me suffer, honey. I wonder if an Apple fits *there*...

 

[chris888222]

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

I wonder what you'd do if Nintendo released a new DS each year cutting the compatibility and support to the previous model.

Apple gets a pass because it's Apple? I don't think so.

I don't really care anyway. Simply because I don't buy these products every year or whenever they launched.

I didn't buy the DSi when it launched. I bought the XL though, largely because my DSL was faulty.

 

[Foxi4]

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

I wonder what you'd do if Nintendo released a new DS each year cutting the compatibility and support to the previous model.

Apple gets a pass because it's Apple? I don't think so.

I don't really care anyway. Simply because I don't buy these products every year or whenever they launched.

Fair play, but by accepting complete make-overs of a device on a yearly basis you accept the fact that your $300+ worth device will become obselete by the end of the year.

The DS Lite was just a smaller DS, the DSi was an upgrade, the DSi XL was just a bigger DSi, altogether you had one hardware update throughout the whole DS cycle.

What would happen if Sony did it with the PS3,4,5,6? Or Nintendo with 3,4,5DS? Or Microsoft with the XBox 1024 and so on and so forth?

It's unacceptable to sentence users to "obseleteness" within a year.

 

[Jakob95]

@Foxi4 Apple actually has it good releasing a new tablet/phone every year. With Android once you buy that new phone that just came out, a better one will come out in 2 weeks. Same goes for Android tablets.

 

[iFish]

I do not want to argue with you.

But anyway, releasing a new iPad every year is not unacceptable(unless you're "casual" and buy it late. But at that point, you don't care about the specs of the thing. Just want it to work as advertised. ).

Not like Apple will be killing off support for the iPad 2 very soon anyway.

Please don't lie to yourself - iPhones and iPads are like disposable cameras nowadays, when a new generation rolls in you can either update or wait patiently until your device proves to be "slow enough" not to support the latest update, virtually forcing you to upgrade your device. Of course, as deemed by Apple, not by factual performance.

By the time the iPad 3 reaches the shelves, iPad 1's will be worth as much as paper weights and iPad 2's will become less-then-desirable. I'm not even trying to argue, I'm establishing a well-known fact.

To further validate it, I can say that Apple purposely locked out SIRI compatibility with pre-4 iPhones despite the fact that there was nothing stopping earlier models from successfuly using the feature with no issues whatsoever, among other "quirks" of similar nature.

What do you mean "already?!" it has been about a year. And if memory serves me right, this keynote is one day later than last years. But I know they both took place in the same week. But that's besides the point.

I don't think this deserves an "already". Just look at ASUS. They update way faster than Apple and announced a new tablet a few weeks after releasing the Transformer Prime. Or, if you want to get really picky: Motorola Droid RAZR -> few weeks later RAZR MAXX.

A one year cycle for a tablet isn't that short.

All the companies you mentioned have a strategy of releasing various products for various types of the target client to allow a degree of mix and match for the user, Apple when it comes to the iPad and iPhone politics chooses to only release one version of their hardware and repeatedly rework it - there is a huge difference between those two approaches.

I do not want to argue with you.

But anyway, releasing a new iPad every year is not unacceptable(unless you're "casual" and buy it late. But at that point, you don't care about the specs of the thing. Just want it to work as advertised. ).

Not like Apple will be killing off support for the iPad 2 very soon anyway.

I personally believe Apple will strike out the iPad 2 after the release of the 3.

And I agree. It's quite acceptable to release a tablet/product on a yearly basis. In fact I prefer it that way.

Foxi4: Are you a fucking idiot or are you just /really/ trying to troll me?

Obviosuly Apple locked Siri to only the iPhone 4S, wasn't that obvious? They want something they can use as marketing material(I personally do not like Siri, not saying it's a good feature. But I AM saying that it's appealing to a lot of people.)

Also, I don't think the iPad 2 will become "less-then-desirable". I mean, I know people who still buy the iPad 2, and people who would be more than happy buying a cheaper iPad 2 once the iPad 2 comes out. People who aren't tech savvy like us don't really care(And to be fair, that is probably a huge market for Apple. People who just want something to work and be simple.)


Also, if you want an example of updates, I'll give you one. Let's take a look at the iPhone 3GS. The iPhone 3GS is almost 3 years old(came out here in Canada on June 19, 2009). It launched with iOS 3.x, got iOS 4.x and is still, to this day, working pretty smoothly and running iOS 5(Still being sold, too). The phone is still doing pretty well.

We've seen iOS devices(iPhone and iPod touches) go on a cycle of it getting 3 iOS cycles until retirement. Which is usually about 3 years.
If I /really/ wanted to nitpick, I could attack Android devices. How you're never really promised updates. You just hope for the best. At least with the iPad, you're promised updates and not be stuck at(for example. And without the modding community) 2.2.

At least on the iPad, you have that peace of mind. But anyway, we can go back and forth forever but we'll never really agree on anything so I guess I'm done.

(I have no idea what the fuck happend with my font.... Sorry

 

[Foxi4]

@Foxi4 Apple actually has it good releasing a new tablet/phone every year. With Android once you buy that new phone that just came out, a better one will come out in 2 weeks. Same goes for Android tablets.

With an Android phone nothing forces you to upgrade - you are sure that whatever comes out on the market will be compatible with your model for at least 2-3 years. Go on, prove me wrong.

I'll go one step further - my uber-old Windows Mobile device which had stock Windows Mobile 5 has gone through all the updates of 5, the update into 6, all updates of 6, update into 6.1, all 6.1 updates, update into 6.5, all updates of 6.5 and finally I was unable to update, but only because the CE core has been deprecated. That's basically 7 years worth of support for a 512Mhz phone.

@iFish Why so rude? I didn't expect you to be objective, but you could at least keep it civilized. I'm not trolling you, I'm disagreeing with you. Cutting support to a function of the OS despite the fact that the hardware is more then capable of pulling it off is simply pushing the users to update their hardware when there is no need to do so, interpret it the way you want but at the end of the day you're wrong and you know it. If you will continue this conversation on a childish level of "No, you're wrong because you're stupid" then we can just as well stop here.