In the lieu of SOPA/PIPA protest, the ACTA Agreement is adopted

[Ritsuki]

Time to move to Switzerland.

Euhm did you not read the post above? Switzerland joined as well...

Actually they didn't sign the agreement. They're here as negociating party. So basically, the laws in Switzerland won't change, but they'll try to assist countries who signed the agreement (like more controls at the customs)

 

[chyyran]

..

And I though them Mayans were just freaking us all out.



*Envisions Internet Blackout Week

This might be one for the history books.

 

[Deleted-236924]

So basically, the laws in Switzerland won't change

That picture clearly says that ACTA is above any country's laws, though.

 

[Ritsuki]

So basically, the laws in Switzerland won't change

That picture clearly says that ACTA is above any country's laws, though.

It's a little bit more complicated... It's not the same for every country. By example, in France, international laws are above national laws. In Italy, they must be accepted and included in national laws (again, there are some exeptions, but again, they must be ratified by some superior institutions). Switzerland is even more complicated () because we're in a direct democracy (which means that we must vote in order to accept the agreement. A good example would be the adhesion to the European Union ; we voted 'no' and that's why the economic crisis had less visible effects on our country. And international treaties have a limit ; you can't actually do much if one of the country doesn't respect the laws. You can still bring them to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), but again, if they don't want to respect the sentence, nobody can force them. The only consequence will be that the relations between the countries will get bad. And the last point is the fact that a country can't apply his laws in another one (the only exeptions are if a treaty is signed and respected by both countries, and major crimes like treason, genocide, murder, etc...)

tl;dr : The laws are not applicable if the country doesn't sign the agreement because it's stipulated in international law that the treaty is valid only for the designated parties, 'just like' a contract

 

[metamaster]

So, ACTA is terrible. Worse then SOPA and PIPA because they can affect other goods outside of the Internet (generic medicine and seeds), but I wonder, when will this agreement start affecting us (or anyone)?
I live in Canada, and this country signed it. When exactly will my Internet start getting filtered through the fine grids of ACTA? I think I saw something about the EU having the final say, but I'm not sure...

 

[TheDarkSeed]

Utter garbage, no one wants use an internet where information is witheld. When you try to control something this much, people will want to leave.

"The Undernet will rise"

 

[GundamXXX]

So basically, the laws in Switzerland won't change

That picture clearly says that ACTA is above any country's laws, though.

It's a little bit more complicated... It's not the same for every country. By example, in France, international laws are above national laws. In Italy, they must be accepted and included in national laws (again, there are some exeptions, but again, they must be ratified by some superior institutions). Switzerland is even more complicated ( ) because we're in a direct democracy (which means that we must vote in order to accept the agreement. A good example would be the adhesion to the European Union ; we voted 'no' and that's why the economic crisis had less visible effects on our country. And international treaties have a limit ; you can't actually do much if one of the country doesn't respect the laws. You can still bring them to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), but again, if they don't want to respect the sentence, nobody can force them. The only consequence will be that the relations between the countries will get bad. And the last point is the fact that a country can't apply his laws in another one (the only exeptions are if a treaty is signed and respected by both countries, and major crimes like treason, genocide, murder, etc...)

tl;dr : The laws are not applicable if the country doesn't sign the agreement because it's stipulated in international law that the treaty is valid only for the designated parties, 'just like' a contract

tl;dr Siwtzerland will suck up as much as possible to the EU and US and will do whatever is asked... just like it has always done

Also the EU signed ACTA

 

[Pong20302000]

• 16 December 2011 - ACTA agreed at Council of the European Union.
• 14 October 2011 - ACTA clears scrutiny in the House of Lords European Scrutiny Committee (EUC-23 published 11 January 2011).
• 1 October 2011 - ACTA signed by most of the negotiating parties at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Japan .
• September 2011- ACTA formally transmitted to the International Trade Committee of the European Parliament (INTA) .
• 9 September 2011 - ACTA clears scrutiny in the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee (see report No. 40 – doc 12190/11 and 12193/11).
• 27 June 2011 - The proposals for signature and conclusion of ACTA have been received from the Commission and deposited for national Parliamentary scrutiny.
• 6 May 2011 - An update on ACTA and open discussion took place on 25 March 2011 at the DG Trade Civil Society Meeting.
• 27 April 2011 - Commission services' comments on the opinion of European Academics on ACTA were published.
• 6 December 2010 - The finalised Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) text was released on the Europa website.
• 20 October 2010 - EU press statement - All you want to know about the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA)
• 10 March 2010 - The European Parliament passed a resolution on transparency and state of play of the ACTA negotiations.
• 9 March 2010 - Karel De Gucht, Trade Commissioner, responded to the European Parliament’s concerns in an oral Parliamentary question debate on transparency and state of play of the ACTA negotiations

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