Okay, But it's a life. When you Fuck, you know you are going to have a baby, it's the point of Sex. Sex is so you have a baby, so in their action, they know what's going to happen, and it disgusts me, that "Oh, we'll just have an abortion" like it's nothing.
When you have sex, without anything in the middle, you know what is going to happen, it's not like "I put my weenie in your hole, and your having a baby!?!?".
On raping(Or incest), It's still the same life, "Don''t make the child pay for the Father's sin" works here. it's not the Child's fault he/she got brought into the world by rape, it's not, we shouldn't pin the punishment of death on the Child. But I do think that Rape victims and the like should have Financial, and emotional support(if they need it), If they really don't want the child, I hate to say it, but Orphanage.
Well, in your example though, you pass a miserable fact (the sin of the father for example) to the mother carrying it. How would YOU carry a child knowing it is NOT wanted the way it came? How would you be able to separate yourself emotionally from a born child, even if you don't love it at first and it came as a result of rape? Mothers are not machines to make children. They are people and it is VERY handy for somebody who is not involved to make decisions for others, that do not affect them. It is not YOUR life that will be damaged irreparably but the life of the mother and the child. You essentially pass a bad event down the line. With an abortion, the mother might still feel bad about it but it will cut the 'series of bad events' right at the beginning, where in your suggestion, the mother will always have in her mind that there is a person somewhere that grew up in horrible conditions, without a family and all that BECAUSE of a religious view of the sanctity of life?
I agree with you that abortions should not be used like lollipops or instead of preventative measures (condoms, other forms of protection etc) BUT sex in 2018 is NOT just to make children. Yes, biologically speaking it is. But biologically speaking, we are not supposed to cook food, we are not supposed to shave or cut our hair and we are not supposed to be bathed, cleaned or wear clothes. Not supposed to drive cars or take medicine. All these things happened to make our lives better by giving us *choices*. Abortions are a choice. Not a nice choice at all and don't worry about it, women who abort DO carry it on their mind forever and it is not a decision they take lightly, even if it seems so. But to offset this with an even bigger burden, just because they happen to have a vagina and not a penis and because they crossed the street with a stranger who wants to have non consensual fun, or to bring a child to life only to live off state support in an orphanage, sorry, it is really the wrong thing. You do not correct a bad thing by making 2 new ones, simply because a man or woman in the sky said so.
In the same sense like you say, don't make the woman or the child pay for the sins of the father. Growing up in an institute is no joke. Bringing a child to life that will not be loved in a family or losing its tracks forever is no joke either. When you think of abortions, you have to put the mother in focus first (as she is the victim here), then the child (which is a secondary victim). Any decision that brings more burden and hardships is an unrealistic one and only as good as ostriches putting their head in the sand thinking everything is ok.
If aborting is murder, how come it is not murder to send troops to be killed and how come it is not murder to use the death penalty? Surely if it is murder and a sin, it is an equal murder and sin if you kill a grown up man or a woman. Funny thing is that most pro-life (whose life though - this is what matters) people are strong supporters of gun use and possession, army and trigger happy people and supporters of the death penalty, go figure. Most pro-choice people do not openly advise getting abortions or allowing abortions up to the last minute, but suggest that it is a choice that is carefully allowed within limits for when there are reasons, be it health, support wise or even of a personal choice. Not allowing them at all is one end of the extreme, why go there? We are not advocating going to the other either, just the middle ground where it is right now.
Conservative governments are the ones usually speaking about outlawing abortions but they are the first to cut child support, benefits and other social structures needed to keep this child to life in case we are talking about an abortion because of not being able to afford it (ie single parent, no family, poor etc). If they keep a consistent stance, then we can speak about it. At the moment it is just cherry picking policies to align to party supporters.
try either defending your opinion or critically thinking about the alternative, rather than using the "grenade" approach
