Help - Lost all installed cia games

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  1. tangerines
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    My N3DS was set up with Gateway. The emunand and sysnand was linked as all the games I installed in the emunand shows up in the sysnand as well.

    I tried to back up the emunand with emunand tool before messing around but the tool could not find anything to back up. Is this because I forgot the "format emunand" step in the gateway menu when I set everything up?

    I tried to unlink the two by entering into emunand and format system memory with the N3DS micro sd taken out. It rebooted and I had to go through resetting the date, etc. Now all the cia games I installed are gone from both sys and emunand...

    Is there anyway to get the n3DS to recognise it again?

    Or do I have to redo everything from scratch.

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  2. VerseHell

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    Gateway mode =/= emunand. You didn't have an EmuNAND set up, so you formated your sysnand.
     
  3. tangerines
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    So even if I successfully boot into Gateway mode from the gateway menu, without first doing the "format emunand" option I am still in sysnand?
    The installed cia's should still be in the micro sd right? Is there any way to get it to show up again?

    Can I do the format emunand on a new micro sd card, back emunand up with the tool then inject it into my original card with all my cias installed?
     
  4. Neptune

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    Correct, that was sysnand. Emunand isn't really required to operate.
     
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    nope but if you have a nand backup you could restore it to sysnand, backup everything off the SD, format emunand and restore the SD contents, then format sysnand to unlink
     
  6. satel

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    no you need to start from scratch & you're lucky you didn't mess up your sys nand installing all kind of cia files on it !! :wtf:
     
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    Installing CIA games wouldn't cause any damage, they just wouldn't be bootable/readable unless you booted into gateway mode.
     
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    well they are at least lucky GW didnt support 9.7 for n3DS or they would probably rushed ahead and updated sysnand, which would of most likely ended up with a brick.....at times like these all you can really say is RTFM next time :P
     
  9. Typhin

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    Because you didn't perform the "Format Emunand" setup, you never created that second partition on your SD card, so you were running your normal SysNand in Gateway mode the whole time. Think of "Gateway Mode" as a wrapper that allows you to use the Gateway card and any installed CIAs, rather than its own system. Setting up EmuNand will create a partition that uses about 1 GB of space on your card. The partition won't appear in Windows because Windows won't understand how to read it, but you will see the "capacity" of the card drop by about 1 GB, and the partition will appear in Disk Management if you want to see it.

    Because your card was removed when you did the formatting, you should still have the files on the SD card, but the newly-formatted system has a different ID and won't use them. If you made a backup of your nand before formatting, you can use the Gateway menu to restore that backup, which will allow you to use the files as well as recover anything that was on SysNand. If you did not back up your nand, then you are unfortunately out of luck on that front. You might be able to extract saved games out of the old directory, but I'm not sure how to do that, or if it's even possible. I would suggest doing some research on that. If you can't (or decide it's not worth the effort), then you might as well delete the old directory to clear off the space.

    The "Setup Emunand" step will format the system's SD card, so you should copy everything off of it before you do that. My recommendation would be to do the following:
    - Copy contents of system's SD card to your computer
    - Start the launcher and enter the menu
    - Select "Format Emunand" from the menu.
    - - Your recently-formatted SysNand will now be copied to the EmuNand partition. This will include the internal ID it uses to determine which files are "yours" as opposed to a card being shared between multiple systems.
    - Copy the contents of the system's SD card back onto the card
    - Format the System Memory of the SysNand to unlink the two, if you choose to. (You mentioned being on a N3DS, which I believe cannot be downgraded, or else I'd have listed that as another optional step.)

    This basically would set it up so that everything you were doing in SysNand is now on EmuNand, and the new SysNand is basically not used at all. If you entered anything like your Nintendo Network ID into SysNand, that setting gets copied over to EmuNand. If you plan on using SysNand a lot (as opposed to EmuNand in "Classic Mode", for playing retail cards), you might choose to take different steps, but I haven't researched much into that case.

    Once I unlinked mine, I took a couple extra steps.
    - I cleared out the home screen on SysNand and added a set of folders to spell out "SYSNAND", to make it very obvious in case I found myself on SysNand by accident.
    - I added a few folders to EmuNand to spell out "EMU", for the same reason.
    - I changed the network settings on SysNand to have all three connections have invalid data. That way, it won't access the internet to see updates, and going into the settings will have an obvious reminder to not add valid settings. I suppose it won't stop it from accessing SpotPass Relays, but I only ever stay in SysNand long enough to get to EmuNand.
    - I could have changed the theme settings, but I liked the default colors, and the folders make it exceedingly clear which is which, so I haven't bothered. Plus, when I was experimenting with it, I hadn't figured out how to "unlink" them yet, so it wasn't working right. I might mess with it again now, make SysNand jarringly red.

    I hope this helps make things more clear. Good luck with setting things up.
     
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    Wow thanks so much for the detailed guide Typhin and everyone who helped. You guys are awesome. I have redone everything, unlinked sysnand and emunand properly, backup-ed my emunand. Now I just have to spend the 8 or so hours installing 50GB worth of CIAs again :)
     
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    You won't be able to recover saves from the ols system, unfortunately. Everytime you format the sysNAND or emuNAND it changes the encryption key for your system. So, for future reference, if you are going to format then you will want to back up decrypted saves using SaveDataFile and hope they don't error when installing them back.
     
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    so u install cia on the sysnand does that not bricked ur 3ds?
     
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    I never formatted emunand and just booted into gateway thinking it was the emunand, then proceeded to install the CIAs. I installed and nearly filled my 64GB micro sd....My N3DS did not brick, thank goodness!
     
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    just want to add that this alone means that you didn't set emunand
    because you cannot take out sd card while in emunand
    how so? you can just put all cia in 1 folder, open bigbluemenu and hit L+R+A and it will automatically installs all cia in that folder, and that wouldn't take that long
     
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    Last time I did that (around 30GB in CIAs together in one folder), I commanded BBM to install them all, I went to sleep, I woke up, I took breakfast, I went for a walk, I came back (already 10h since CIAs began installing), and the PoS was still installing CIAs!
     
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    really? I must admit that I've never install more than 10gb of cia, but I don't remember that it's taking more than couple of hours
    I could be wrong though
     
  17. Kawaii

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    Can someone explain to me the advantage of unlinking sysnand and emunand. Please. Which one is preferrable?
     
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    I have not unlinked, so I am not sure if this "advantages" are correct, but I think that by unlinking you avoid having to open gift boxes every time you boot and getting into data management doesn't delete your CIAs.
     
  19. tangerines
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    One more question. When gateway updates support for 9.6 and above for N3DS and I update my emunand. My installed CIAs and saves won't be affected right? I don't want to keep reinstalling them.
     
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    System updates don't check if your installed titles are paid for, no.