Ground Zero Mosque. Yes or No?

[Overlord Nadrian]

i say no if they want a mosque build it somewhere else. why do they have to build it right near ground zero it feels they are insensitive to those who died at ground zero.i am not against them building a mosque,im only against them building it there.there are plenty of other places you can build a mosque build it somewhere else!!

Apparently, you didn't read any of the arguments that were brought up and bashed down again. Your post contains all of 'em. You are against building a mosque anywhere, otherwise you would not protest so heavily.

tl;dr: lrn2read, kthxbai

 

[tenkai]

thats not true i dont care if they build it somewhere else.plus i have a right to my own opinion dont i? that's just what i believe.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Opinions are useless (unless they are stated by intelligent people), only facts truly matter.

 

[tenkai]

what makes you right.....ughh this is a topic based off of peoples opinions and you keep on trying to start an argument...

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

You don't get it, do you?

 

[p1ngpong]

Opinions are useless (unless they are stated by intelligent people), only facts truly matter.

This topic is supposed to be about peoples opinions regarding this subject. Hence the poll and everything. So your statement is pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand and doesn't actually have any meaning to it.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

The point I was trying to make is that facts should be enough to change people's opinions, and because he didn't have any knowledge on what this was all about, his opinion is pretty much invalid.

 

[Blood Fetish]

The point I was trying to make is that facts should be enough to change people's opinions, and because he didn't have any knowledge on what this was all about, his opinion is pretty much invalid.

This is a topic centered around religion, which is the antithesis of fact. In what meaningful way do you expect people to analyze facts?

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

People try to center it around religion, whereas this has nearly nothing to do with it (it's a 'cultural gathering place' after all). Which is a fact and should therefore not be ignored.

 

[p1ngpong]

The point I was trying to make is that facts should be enough to change people's opinions, and because he didn't have any knowledge on what this was all about, his opinion is pretty much invalid.

Who says an opinion has to be based on any facts? Facts aside all an opinion amounts to is a particular persons perspective and views. As long its not way out offensive people are entitled to hold any opinion they want to for this discussion. Calling someone else's opinion invalid because it doesn't conform to your measure of what an opinion should be is pretty opinionated in my opinion.

 

[Xellos2099]

As much as I hate Obama, I agree on the issue, they have perfect "right" to build w/e there, but it is in very bad taste and should be frown upon. The clear thing is: they have the right to build it and we have the right to protest upon it.

 

[Bri]

They shouldn't build a mosque near ground zero any more than they should build a Catholic church near a playground.

-Bri

 

[TrolleyDave]

As much as I hate Obama, I agree on the issue, they have perfect "right" to build w/e there, but it is in very bad taste and should be frown upon. The clear thing is: they have the right to build it and we have the right to protest upon it.

This is basically exactly how I feel. People seem to forget that in an issue like this there's also a certain amount of sentimentality, emotionality and empathy that also enters into a persons opinion. I agree they shouldn't be forced to have to stop construction, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with protesting and saying "I find this a little morally dubious".

 

[Bri]

Morally dubious in what way? What exactly is your concern with a Muslim cultural center 2 long blocks (roughly 6 regular blocks) from ground zero TrolleyDave? If it was a synagogue, would that be morally dubious?

-Bri

 

[Blood Fetish]

I would love for an intelligent person to articulate why they feel it is "in bad taste".

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Who says an opinion has to be based on any facts? Facts aside all an opinion amounts to is a particular persons perspective and views. As long its not way out offensive people are entitled to hold any opinion they want to for this discussion. Calling someone else's opinion invalid because it doesn't conform to your measure of what an opinion should be is pretty opinionated in my opinion.

His opinion is, in fact, offensive to the Muslim community in a way, because denying someone something they have all right to do, could be considered racist.

And perhaps is.

 

[BlueStar]

thats not true i dont care if they build it somewhere else.plus i have a right to my own opinion dont i? that's just what i believe.

Yep, you have a right to an idiotic opinion and a belief that you can't properly articulate why you hold, but other people have the right to call you up on it.

 

[Depravo]

It's the perfect opportunity for America to prove that it really is anti-terrorist and not anti-muslim. The protests are sending out the wrong message entirely.

 

[TrolleyDave]

I would love for an intelligent person to articulate why they feel it is "in bad taste".

I can give you my reasons, but it won't change your mind nor will it probably sound acceptable as it's an opinion based more on a feeling than anything else. It just feels wrong to me, it just feels morally dubious and a little insensitive. I'd feel exactly the same way if some right wing Christian extremist blew up a Mosque somewhere and whichever Christian Church of your choosing decided to up and build a Christian Community Centre/Prayer Meeting Hall near the site. Like I say, it's pretty much a non-answer as it's based more on emotion than logic. I know it's not the entire Islamic religions fault that a few Wahabbi nutjobs committed a terrorist attack because they'd been taught to interpret various Surrah in a twisted way, but that's the way it is and there will be people in who it provokes an emotional response over an intellectual one. It's human nature.

 

[Blood Fetish]

there will be people in who it provokes an emotional response over an intellectual one. It's human nature.

That is animal nature. Human nature would be to have those emotions, but analyze them critically instead of acting upon them. Reason and logic are what supposedly separate us from lesser beings.