Hacking Got an idea...

[DoJo_Master]

It's not like you weren't warned. The OP literally says it in the first sentence of the first post.

Ya well, I also posted it because I thought it has some basis in reality due to the switch using usb keyboards now

 

[BL4Z3D247]

Ya well, I also posted it because I thought it has some basis in reality due to the switch using usb keyboards now

I wasn't knocking the thread, just pointing out that you already mentioned it might be a stupid post. So that person's post was moot at best.

I actually found the video you posted pretty freaking cool.

 

[sigboe]

This wont work, not with brute force.

Arbitrary code execution requires a deep understanding of how the game works so you can play the game to set up a space in the RAM that overflows the area where you are allowed to write, then jumping to the correct area in the RAM and have it executed.

Random button pressing will literally do nothing. Not even if you have more time than the universe it self has left. Speeding up button presses would not do anything towards finding an exploit, only writing code in once you have it set up like the super mario video.

And to top it of, the code libraries and languages and compilers that are used today, tries to prevent such things to be possible. If it was possible, brute force is not a viable option. You can come further by programming an AI to look for bugs in the code (not a viable option either)

 

[Kourin]

gbatemp.net/threads/general-i-think-i-found-a-hack-thread.464599
Shouldn't this be here instead?

 

[DoJo_Master]

This wont work, not with brute force.

Arbitrary code execution requires a deep understanding of how the game works so you can play the game to set up a space in the RAM that overflows the area where you are allowed to write, then jumping to the correct area in the RAM and have it executed.

Random button pressing will literally do nothing. Not even if you have more time than the universe it self has left. Speeding up button presses would not do anything towards finding an exploit, only writing code in once you have it set up like the super mario video.

And to top it of, the code libraries and languages and compilers that are used today, tries to prevent such things to be possible. If it was possible, brute force is not a viable option. You can come further by programming an AI to look for bugs in the code (not a viable option either)

In the case of the xbox example it shows that not everything is so black and white, the switch is a very new console and it likley has many many bugs even tho nintendo tried there hardest to release it in its current state. A usb ducky would increase the chances of finding one, and no its not as good as an AI that is searching for that kinda stuff, as of now we dont know what to search for and this might help.

gbatemp.net/threads/general-i-think-i-found-a-hack-thread.464599
Shouldn't this be here instead?

Nope, because I dont think I found a hack... Its just some random idea I had and havn't even attempted it yet.

I wasn't knocking the thread, just pointing out that you already mentioned it might be a stupid post. So that person's post was moot at best.

I actually found the video you posted pretty freaking cool.

Thanks man!, glad you think so

 

[sigboe]

In the case of the xbox example it shows that not everything is so black and white, the switch is a very new console and it likley has many many bugs even tho nintendo tried there hardest to release it in its current state. A usb ducky would increase the chances of finding one, and no its not as good as an AI that is searching for that kinda stuff, as of now we dont know what to search for and this might help.



Nope, because I dont think I found a hack... Its just some random idea I had and havn't even attempted it yet.


Thanks man!, glad you think so

It would be much more palatable to have an actual conversation with you if you didn't pretend to know what you are talking about. Several people have already tried to explain, but I will try to make a new analog for you. Trying to use a rubber ducky to brute force finding a method to do arbitrary code execution would be like trying to say random sounds to a bank teller thinking you can brute force getting in the the bank vault. Think of it like having a plastic spoon trying to drill a hole in a safe. It won't happen.

Maybe if you already have an exploit, and want to enter arbitrary data to be executed. But the chances of us coming to a situation like that, and not having another method to transfer data (like just reading a damn file off the SD card) are approaching none existent.

You are better off trying to brute force the private key for the console, which you could reasonably expect to be able to do if you spend the rest of the time in the universe, a few times over (implying current supercomputers)

 

[DoJo_Master]

It would be much more palatable to have an actual conversation with you if you didn't pretend to know what you are talking about. Several people have already tried to explain, but I will try to make a new analog for you. Trying to use a rubber ducky to brute force finding a method to do arbitrary code execution would be like trying to say random sounds to a bank teller thinking you can brute force getting in the the bank vault. Think of it like having a plastic spoon trying to drill a hole in a safe. It won't happen.

Maybe if you already have an exploit, and want to enter arbitrary data to be executed. But the chances of us coming to a situation like that, and not having another method to transfer data (like just reading a damn file off the SD card) are approaching none existent.

You are better off trying to brute force the private key for the console, which you could reasonably expect to be able to do if you spend the rest of the time in the universe, a few times over (implying current supercomputers)

Currently we have no exploit in use, at least I thought this is a start. For starters I have no idea what Im talking about but I know that the fundamental principle is sound. This method wasnt meant to use arbitrary code injections but instead maby find some bugs/weak points in the code, the xbox video I sent on the first page shows just how stupid easy it could be to enter into some exploit. An extremely easy exploit is just sitting there I guarantee it, its just a matter of time not how and we will find it!, we always do. Most ways we find entry points is normally through trail and error and finding mistakes the developers overlook. It would be stupid to glance over the use of a USB port.... Just to remind you, I have no idea what I am saying but as the the title says I "got an idea".

 

[DoJo_Master]

bump...

 

[Kourin]

bump...

What do you want people to add to the conversation? As sigboe said; you have no idea about anything you're saying. Your idea won't do anything, we have a thread up already for 'ideas' and we have a general hacking discussion thread already.