I can answer this, you're not recruiting a "duplicate", you're recruiting a "different" Saizo.
I've explained this before, every time you see a character in the story, it's not actually that character per say.
As far as the player is concerned, the Saizo from Chapter 7 Birthright is the same as chapter 11 Saizo in revelation who is the same as Chapter 12 Conquest Saizo, etc.
Within the game's code however, this is not the case, far from it.
Every instance of a character is unique and different, with a different PID and sometimes even Character ID, once Saizo is on your squad, he is "PID_Saizo", on Birthright chapter 7, before he has joined you, he is "PID_A_Saizo", on Conquest chapter 12 he is "PID_B012_Saizo", on Revelation chapter 11 he is "PID_C_Saizo", in the prologue, he is "PID_A000_Saizo", it just so happens that when the Chapter ends, "PID_A Saizo" or "PID_C_Saizo" get converted into "PID_Saizo".
So as far as the game is concerned, even if you have Saizo on your team, A_Saizo and C_Saizo are completely different units that you have not yet recruited.
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@DeathChaos25: Interesting details there. What's a PID? Is that something in the unit block? Also, you wouldn't happen to have a list of these PIDs and alternate Character IDs handy, would you? I mean, don't go too far out of your way for it or anything, but it might be interesting to try some stuff with the IDs. Or even knowing where to look in the ROM FS... maybe I should try exploring that stuff sometime.
EDIT: Maybe never mind the request there. I found a post on your blog, of all places, that should point me in the right direction: http://deathchaos-25.tumblr.com/post/139940544429/do-you-already-have-any-of-the-addresses-for-any
Maybe I'll look into that Nightmare stuff RainThunder made too.
EDIT: Maybe never mind the request there. I found a post on your blog, of all places, that should point me in the right direction: http://deathchaos-25.tumblr.com/post/139940544429/do-you-already-have-any-of-the-addresses-for-any
Maybe I'll look into that Nightmare stuff RainThunder made too.
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Well, PIDs is what the game uses to call a unit the very first time they are loaded, the PID is not stored in the save, just the Character ID, which the game then correlates with the character PID and then loads all of the needed character data.
For PIDs, in a character block (inside the romfs), the PID is the very first thing that is pointed to after the 8 bytes of bitflags, there are 2 ways you can find a character's PID and stuff inside the romfs, they are .bin.lz file that you can decompress with FEAT or BatchLZ77.
If the character is playable, then most likely you can find their data inside GameData/GameData.bin.lz
If a character is an enemy/ally in a specific route, you can find their data in GameData/Person/(A/B/C)/(A/B/C)0(Chapter Number).bin.lz
For example, I pulled Garon's block from Birthright chapter 12 boss Garon, so GameData/Person/A/A012.bin.lz
When you fight Xander in chapter 1, his data is on GameData/Person/A001.bin.lz (since the first 6 chapters are route neutral), with his PID being PID_A001_ボス (boss), all chapter bosses will have this exact PID but changing the chapter/route numbers.
So, for example, in Revelation Mikoto is PID_C024_ボス, Sumeragi being PID_C025_ボス, Zola being PID_A009_ボス, etc.
I haven't made an updated image, but here's an old one with character blocks mapped out;
And here are the most recent notes on character block maping;
http://pastebin.com/PtRd7eyC
In GameData.bin, Character blocks start from offset 0xDF0, this is a dummy block, each block is 0x98 in size, then the blocks should be arranged in order of character ID.
Route specific character blocks are found in the HANDOVER files, A/B/C_HANDOVER, so for example, Birthright Saizo could use the original PID_Saizo, however, Revelation Saizo uses PID_C_Saizo from the C_HANDOVER file, these files are also in GameData/Person, and the character blocks in these files start from 0x30 onwards.
Another thing I want to note is, Growths rates are not actually used at face value, and it is confusing me as to how or why this is the case, an example of this is my DLC characters, which all contain 0% growth rates across all of their stats, and yet while using Chrom in my Lunatic playthroughs he keeps getting good level ups with +4s and +5s, another example is, I took a generic witch, gave her a speed growth of 50%, and she somehow got a +2 Speed level up, which is mathematically impossible.
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No it's the forge 63
I keep getting this error. Probably due to the amount of uses some of my items have.
Yeah, that. The NTR Cheat plugin gives all Consumables a forge value of 63. Unfortunately, that's preventing me from using FEFTwiddler.
Oh I understand the game recognizes them as different units. I was just suggesting a potential work around if it's possible/worth it.
Well, PIDs is what the game uses to call a unit the very first time they are loaded, the PID is not stored in the save, just the Character ID, which the game then correlates with the character PID and then loads all of the needed character data.
For PIDs, in a character block (inside the romfs), the PID is the very first thing that is pointed to after the 8 bytes of bitflags, there are 2 ways you can find a character's PID and stuff inside the romfs, they are .bin.lz file that you can decompress with FEAT or BatchLZ77.
If the character is playable, then most likely you can find their data inside GameData/GameData.bin.lz
If a character is an enemy/ally in a specific route, you can find their data in GameData/Person/(A/B/C)/(A/B/C)0(Chapter Number).bin.lz
For example, I pulled Garon's block from Birthright chapter 12 boss Garon, so GameData/Person/A/A012.bin.lz
When you fight Xander in chapter 1, his data is on GameData/Person/A001.bin.lz (since the first 6 chapters are route neutral), with his PID being PID_A001_ボス (boss), all chapter bosses will have this exact PID but changing the chapter/route numbers.
So, for example, in Revelation Mikoto is PID_C024_ボス, Sumeragi being PID_C025_ボス, Zola being PID_A009_ボス, etc.
I haven't made an updated image, but here's an old one with character blocks mapped out;
And here are the most recent notes on character block maping;
http://pastebin.com/PtRd7eyC
In GameData.bin, Character blocks start from offset 0xDF0, this is a dummy block, each block is 0x8C in size, then the blocks should be arranged in order of character ID.
Route specific character blocks are found in the HANDOVER files, A/B/C_HANDOVER, so for example, Birthright Saizo could use the original PID_Saizo, however, Revelation Saizo uses PID_C_Saizo from the C_HANDOVER file, these files are also in GameData/Person, and the character blocks in these files start from 0x30 onwards.
Another thing I want to note is, Growths rates are not actually used at face value, and it is confusing me as to how or why this is the case, an example of this is my DLC characters, which all contain 0% growth rates across all of their stats, and yet while using Chrom in my Lunatic playthroughs he keeps getting good level ups with +4s and +5s, another example is, I took a generic witch, gave her a speed growth of 50%, and she somehow got a +2 Speed level up, which is mathematically impossible.
Deathchaos, if I understand this correctly.. You're giving us our precious generic witch? Or was she a personal test </3
@DeathChaos25: Thanks. I rummaged through some of the files. I kinda sorta know what I'm looking at, though I'm thinking there probably isn't anything that'll let me make save-editing-based randomization more possible than it already is. I might dig in again in the future, though.
@Green Mii: Noted.
@Green Mii: Noted.
I actually already have a fully working class randomizer for GameData.bin written in Python that I plan to release and work on after I'm done with finals and my current projects, I could PM it to you if you'd like, although I've literally never written in Python before so the code might be a bit hard to chew on.
However, there's a LOT, and I mean, a LOT of behind the scenes stuff that has to be changed for it to work, one of the main things being trying to make it consistent between GameData and all 3 HANDOVER files, another is seeing how to deal with the weapon spawns and whatnot, not to mention that you literally can't randomize or change the MU's class, since the game forcibly writes Nohr Prince(ss) as the MUs base class upon character creation.
Here are some example screenshots;
I'd like to note that the dancer class has none existent sprites, Azura has a sprite because it is a full body sprite for her in the class, the class itself has nothing, so I though I'd just copy her sprite as the generic one to prevent any crashes that might happen from that.
(and yes, Kaze actually got Ninja through the randomizer, what are the odds).
Nice. I still haven't decided whether I want to take the plunge into full-on ROM hacking yet. I'll let you (and probably others) know if I do, though!
As for Python, I haven't used it in years (and when I did, it was for only really small things) so I probably wouldn't have the teeth to chew on much of anything anyway.
Basically, you can send me whatever you want, but it's a while before I'd be both willing and able to make sense of it.
I've long known that doing a randomizer with just save data isn't going to be nearly as good as doing it with ROM hacking. I'm kind of surprised I was able to do as much as I've done already, thanks to the game pulling quite a large number of units (even many who don't show up before chapter 6) from what I've called the "absent" block if they're there instead of creating them anew. There's no playing around some of the shortcomings of the save-based approach, though, like some units having their class forcibly changed (Most notably Corrin after the chapter 5 dragon rampage), and some units not being pulled from the absent block. It was a decent experiment nonetheless, though, and I still plan on releasing a "good enough" version of it for people who want an easier time that doesn't require ROM hacking.
Also, confession time: I've never actually done a real randomized FE playthrough. Though I've seen some videos and it sure seems like a fun thing to do next time I'm between games!
As for Python, I haven't used it in years (and when I did, it was for only really small things) so I probably wouldn't have the teeth to chew on much of anything anyway.
Basically, you can send me whatever you want, but it's a while before I'd be both willing and able to make sense of it.
I've long known that doing a randomizer with just save data isn't going to be nearly as good as doing it with ROM hacking. I'm kind of surprised I was able to do as much as I've done already, thanks to the game pulling quite a large number of units (even many who don't show up before chapter 6) from what I've called the "absent" block if they're there instead of creating them anew. There's no playing around some of the shortcomings of the save-based approach, though, like some units having their class forcibly changed (Most notably Corrin after the chapter 5 dragon rampage), and some units not being pulled from the absent block. It was a decent experiment nonetheless, though, and I still plan on releasing a "good enough" version of it for people who want an easier time that doesn't require ROM hacking.
Also, confession time: I've never actually done a real randomized FE playthrough. Though I've seen some videos and it sure seems like a fun thing to do next time I'm between games!
Neither have I to be completely honest, which is why I though I'd try to make one myself, since it'd seem like something fun to do.
The randomizer isn't anything special in fact, all I did was calculated all addresses based off of Male Corrin's addresses (since his block is the first real playable block), and then just write a random value on the calculated addresses, nothing too fancy.
The randomizer isn't anything special in fact, all I did was calculated all addresses based off of Male Corrin's addresses (since his block is the first real playable block), and then just write a random value on the calculated addresses, nothing too fancy.
Can someone help? Whenever I use Jakob online, it disconnects me. Unequipping my weapons and skills don't do anything. Why does it disconnect me?
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