Hacking DSTWO EOS v1.03 will be available soon

[redrabit]

It's cool and all to see updates, but we all know that the SNES emulator was going to be available "soon" as well. Either "soon" is within a month or two into the future, or someone jumped the gun when making one of the announcements. If the SNES emulator announcement was pre-mature, they could at least say that it was, or that they ran into issues not previously encountered prior to the announcement.

I would rather see the SDK come out first, even if it means delaying the SNES emulator and video player. Hopefully Dingux could be ported (support for automatically downscaling to the DS's resolution would have to be added to the kernel, but other than that it should work).

I agree with both of you, either the snes or the SDK (IMO SDK is better as we dont need to rely on the team so much).

How patient are they expecting people to be for features that were written on the box :/

 

[DarkWay]

It's cool and all to see updates, but we all know that the SNES emulator was going to be available "soon" as well. Either "soon" is within a month or two into the future, or someone jumped the gun when making one of the announcements. If the SNES emulator announcement was pre-mature, they could at least say that it was, or that they ran into issues not previously encountered prior to the announcement.

I would rather see the SDK come out first, even if it means delaying the SNES emulator and video player. Hopefully Dingux could be ported (support for automatically downscaling to the DS's resolution would have to be added to the kernel, but other than that it should work).

I agree with both of you, either the snes or the SDK (IMO SDK is better as we dont need to rely on the team so much).

How patient are they expecting people to be for features that were written on the box :/

Do you mean on the card that was rushed out of the factory on a just about stable firmware/EOS and missing a few featuers because they are not ready to keep their customers happy?
It's impatient people like yourself that are forcing the SC team to release unfinished and buggy products and then complain about it because it's buggy and not working the way you like

Just let them do their thing and report bugs on the features we have in the meantime so they can fix them up.
Or even better go get some fresh air and socialise.

/rant


On-Topic - I "kinda" happy with this update, although I see no fix mentioned for Pokemon HG/SS which should be fixed.
The Cheat Menu needs fixing up aswell, Long code names and comments currently unsupported....you'd think something like this would be kinda basic and already in there.
I'd like to see the option to scroll by page using the L&R buttons instead of changing the brightness e.t.c. I find that irritating.

 

[SpaceJump]

They should stop announcing but releasing

 

[DeltaBurnt]

They should stop announcing but releasing

This release could take weeks. If they didn't announce this people would flip out and assume that the Supercard team abandoned them.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Do you mean on the card that was rushed out of the factory on a just about stable firmware/EOS and missing a few featuers because they are not ready to keep their customers happy?
It's impatient people like yourself that are forcing the SC team to release unfinished and buggy products and then complain about it because it's buggy and not working the way you like

Just let them do their thing and report bugs on the features we have in the meantime so they can fix them up.
Or even better go get some fresh air and socialise.

Of course it was rushed out. I won't deny that, but making an announcement months in advance didn't help slow things down, did it? Nor is making the newer announcements with no word for weeks helping either. How can people not be impatient when the people making the stuff aren't patient in waiting till they have something solid to report? Saying "coming soon" with no word for a lengthy period of time does not help, nor is announcing newer things, even unexpected things like the SDK, helping the situation because more projects mean less time spent to each one. Things like the SNES emulator were promised months ago. The SDK was not (though a gracious addition), but it shouldn't take priority over those promised months ago.

Like I said before. If it wasn't at a point for an actual announcement, then the announcement shouldn't have been made at all. If it was to that point, but got snagged post-announcing, then a note of a delay would suffice because stuff happens. Bugs happen. Priorities happen. RL happens. Speaking of which, the RL is calling me.

 

[DeltaBurnt]

Of course it was rushed out. I won't deny that, but making an announcement months in advance didn't help slow things down, did it? Nor is making the newer announcements with no word for weeks helping either. How can people not be impatient when the people making the stuff aren't patient in waiting till they have something solid to report? Saying "coming soon" with no word for a lengthy period of time does not help, nor is announcing newer things, even unexpected things like the SDK, helping the situation because more projects mean less time spent to each one. Things like the SNES emulator were promised months ago. The SDK was not (though a gracious addition), but it shouldn't take priority over those promised months ago.

Like I said before. If it wasn't at a point for an actual announcement, then the announcement shouldn't have been made at all. If it was to that point, but got snagged post-announcing, then a note of a delay would suffice because stuff happens. Bugs happen. Priorities happen. RL happens. Speaking of which, the RL is calling me.

Telling people about these things in advance is better than just leaving them in the dark. Plus one of the reasons they say coming soon is so they don't have to worry about rushing (keyword here) to meet the deadline and then release a buggy firmware.

 

[ReverseViceVersa]

It's cool and all to see updates, but we all know that the SNES emulator was going to be available "soon" as well. Either "soon" is within a month or two into the future, or someone jumped the gun when making one of the announcements. If the SNES emulator announcement was pre-mature, they could at least say that it was, or that they ran into issues not previously encountered prior to the announcement.

I would rather see the SDK come out first, even if it means delaying the SNES emulator and video player. Hopefully Dingux could be ported (support for automatically downscaling to the DS's resolution would have to be added to the kernel, but other than that it should work).

I agree with both of you, either the snes or the SDK (IMO SDK is better as we dont need to rely on the team so much).

How patient are they expecting people to be for features that were written on the box :/

Do you mean on the card that was rushed out of the factory on a just about stable firmware/EOS and missing a few featuers because they are not ready to keep their customers happy?
It's impatient people like yourself that are forcing the SC team to release unfinished and buggy products and then complain about it because it's buggy and not working the way you like

Just let them do their thing and report bugs on the features we have in the meantime so they can fix them up.
Or even better go get some fresh air and socialise.

/rant


On-Topic - I "kinda" happy with this update, although I see no fix mentioned for Pokemon HG/SS which should be fixed.
The Cheat Menu needs fixing up aswell, Long code names and comments currently unsupported....you'd think something like this would be kinda basic and already in there.
I'd like to see the option to scroll by page using the L&R buttons instead of changing the brightness e.t.c. I find that irritating.

Nobody put a gun to the SC Team's heads and forced them to release an unfinished cart. They chose to release the SCDS2 early for their own personal reasons, not because "impatient" people whined. They could care less about people like myself who have few posts, all of which complaining about new releases. People can be impatient all they want assuming they paid around $40 for this unfinished product. It's a great cart, no doubt.. but at the same time it's false advertisement buddy. On the back of their product's box, it clearly states: "6. Built-in GBA/SNES Emulator... 9. eBook (BMP, JPEG, JPG, PNG, TIF, GIF, TXT, PDF.) People have the right to be impatient. By the amount of times you have posted in the last week, you should "go get some fresh air and socialize." Thanks :]

 

[DeltaBurnt]

Nobody put a gun to the SC Team's heads and forced them to release an unfinished cart. They chose to release the SCDS2 early for their own personal reasons, not because "impatient" people whined. They could care less about people like myself who have few posts, all of which complaining about new releases. People can be impatient all they want assuming they paid around $40 for this unfinished product. It's a great cart, no doubt.. but at the same time it's false advertisement buddy. On the back of their product's box, it clearly states: "6. Built-in GBA/SNES Emulator... 9. eBook (BMP, JPEG, JPG, PNG, TIF, GIF, TXT, PDF.) People have the right to be impatient. By the amount of times you have posted in the last week, you should "go get some fresh air and socialize." Thanks :]

First of all quite a few people put a gun to the SC Team's sales because I saw quite a few people wanting to cancel their pre-orders. And it's not a false advertisement when it will eventually be included. Chances are they made that box before they were finished developing all the DSTwo's features. So when people started whining about it not being out yet, they released it with that box.

Furthermore, how much I post in a week is up to me. You bringing that up is completely off topic, and a pathetic attempt to try and scare someone out of an argument.

 

[redrabit]

Do you mean on the card that was rushed out of the factory on a just about stable firmware/EOS and missing a few featuers because they are not ready to keep their customers happy?


Not my fault it was rushed. Not my fault they started pre-orders back in november 09. Not my fault people got annoyed at the release date constantly being moved forward. Not my fault after ALL that time they only managed to include one of the features that they promised. Last but not least, not my fault that the supercard team dont like deadlines.

It's impatient people like yourself that are forcing the SC team to release unfinished and buggy products and then complain about it because it's buggy and not working the way you like

You make sweeping generalisations. Let me do the same for you

. Its delusional consumers like you who help devs like these be lazy and release half hearted work.


Just let them do their thing and report bugs on the features we have in the meantime so they can fix them up.


Sure, but at the same time I expect to get what I paid for. I dont mind being patient, but I want to know how patient they expect us to be (which was my original question).

Telling people about these things in advance is better than just leaving them in the dark. Plus one of the reasons they say coming soon is so they don't have to worry about rushing (keyword here) to meet the deadline and then release a buggy firmware.


Everyone has to worry about deadlines, its how stuff gets done.


QUOTE(DeltaBurnt @ Jun 27 2010, 11:12 PM)

First of all quite a few people put a gun to the SC Team's sales because I saw quite a few people wanting to cancel their pre-orders. And it's not a false advertisement when it will eventually be included. Chances are they made that box before they were finished developing all the DSTwo's features. So when people started whining about it not being out yet, they released it with that box.


Then maybe the problem lies with maybe, I dunno... taking pre-orders too soon?


Furthermore, how much I post in a week is up to me. You bringing that up is completely off topic, and a pathetic attempt to try and scare someone out of an argument.


woops, that comment was aimed at DarkWay methinks

 

[Another World]

i don't want to read this whole thread, i just want to make a comment.

i know for a fact, from talking to the team, that the card was not rushed at all. it was developed for over a year. 3 months before pre-orders shipped it went back into development to fix some small issues found on a few of the first 300 cards run off. they took their time to get the hardware right. the software is a whole other discussion.

-another world

 

[Nollog]

Telling people about these things in advance is better than just leaving them in the dark. Plus one of the reasons they say coming soon is so they don't have to worry about rushing (keyword here) to meet the deadline and then release a buggy firmware.

They publish a changelog before making the changes to keep customers happy?
That's a stupid way to go about software.

What are we still waiting on?
media player, snes, sdk, ebook, some bugs in the gui (simple things like someone else said with the cheats menu - I can't read what some cheats do since it's on a single line and it gets cut off)

If they want to keep their customers happy it's a simple matter of keeping their mouths shut before making promises of a do-all device.
Failing that - which they did, all they need to do is give a date for at least one of those features, and keep their customers up to date on progress rather than publish a changelog a few weeks before those changes are ready, changes that do nothing about the broken promises.

 

[Rydian]

They publish a changelog before making the changes to keep customers happy?
That's a stupid way to go about software.Newsflash: Coding a feature can take days or weeks, whereas typing the name of it takes only few seconds.

QUOTE(Nollog @ Jun 27 2010, 07:51 PM) Failing that - which they did, all they need to do is give a date for at least one of those features, and keep their customers up to date on progress rather than publish a changelog a few weeks before those changes are ready, changes that do nothing about the broken promises.

They've kept multiple promises of theirs, they can't have everything perfect at launch (for such a complex device), and have been slowly releasing the features that weren't in the original firmware (because they weren't ready).

Please don't try to tell a team that's doing this how hard you think it is when you've never done it yourself.
You're like that guy in the mechanic's place complaining about how long it's taking when you've never actually built a car, just driven one.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Everyone, please stop the constant complaining about things that aren't in this update, but rather take a look at the things that ARE. Apply this saying to your own life too and it will be much better.

 

[DeltaBurnt]

Everyone, please stop the constant complaining about things that aren't in this update, but rather take a look at the things that ARE. Apply this saying to your own life too and it will be much better.

I think they're more whining about the Supercard team "teasing" us with this changelog.

 

[Nimbus]

Anyone who whines about all of this is completely ungrateful.

The Supercard team has supported their flashcarts since the Slot-2 days, even till today.

They have the longest running support of any kind I have seen.

I have even switched to using Supercards products due to this, and I love them. They have good build quality much better than that of other flashcarts I have used (Looks at M3 with broken clips), and the software actually feels finished.

They may be slower on updates, but at least they test stuff before it's released, and at least they release updates regularly.


So I say shut up, and be grateful. Unless you want to know what a nuclear blast from my 3rd leg feels like.

 

[Zetta_x]

This argument has gone on ever since the Supercard DS TWO was released and spans multiple topics, are you sure you really want to get into it? There are people that will argue on both sides, and pretty much the threads eventually die because it got repetitive or it got closed. There is no point in arguing, what's done is done.

Did someone summon Zetta

Lol jk, I'm keeping my nose out of this one. As long as I don't read I won't post

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I knew I shouldn't have read it, but people should just be grateful =)

 

[Gh0sti]

as much as i want to complain about this, im excited to see an update, for some bugs and some new feature(s), i recently was on sc team forum and godslash took alot of my suggestions and gave them to the team, weather or not they add them or fix the bugs is up to them. If you guys have problems go to that forum and post your bug problems and suggestions and tell them, dont tell people here cuz they cant do anything about it.

this card is amazing, it does have the capabilities to do all of the programs that the sc team promised and maybe some new features that werent ever thought of, once the sdk comes out i think everyone who has complained will be regretting what they said or when they cried, so many features will be added everyone is just going to have to wait

if you need to, go away from the computer for a month and see what changes are added if your that pissed

 

[DiscostewSM]

Don't get me wrong. I'm grateful for the work they put into it thus far, and for the things to come. I wasn't expecting the card to be released when it did. Heck, the card got my doorstep earlier than expected (though that is mail-related, but still).

Perhaps I have been on the impatient side. We all do at some point, and my time came around recently. We waited this long. What's a few more weeks gonna do?

(I'm in a happier mood right now. Just played Kid Icarus [NES])


One thing I am hoping gets resolved (probably after 1.03) is the issue where you can't get into the in-game menu for some NDS games at certain times during gameplay.

 

[DeltaBurnt]

Don't get me wrong. I'm grateful for the work they put into it thus far, and for the things to come. I wasn't expecting the card to be released when it did. Heck, the card got my doorstep earlier than expected (though that is mail-related, but still).

Perhaps I have been on the impatient side. We all do at some point, and my time came around recently. We waited this long. What's a few more weeks gonna do?

(I'm in a happier mood right now. Just played Kid Icarus [NES])


One thing I am hoping gets resolved (probably after 1.03) is the issue where you can't get into the in-game menu for some NDS games at certain times during gameplay.

I think that'd be quite hard to configure. Every game has multiple short points that are like that, and fixing every single one of those would be very lengthy. Plus I think that only happens during like cinematics.

 

[coattails]

Don't get me wrong. I'm grateful for the work they put into it thus far, and for the things to come. I wasn't expecting the card to be released when it did. Heck, the card got my doorstep earlier than expected (though that is mail-related, but still).

Perhaps I have been on the impatient side. We all do at some point, and my time came around recently. We waited this long. What's a few more weeks gonna do?

(I'm in a happier mood right now. Just played Kid Icarus [NES])


One thing I am hoping gets resolved (probably after 1.03) is the issue where you can't get into the in-game menu for some NDS games at certain times during gameplay.

I think that'd be quite hard to configure. Every game has multiple short points that are like that, and fixing every single one of those would be very lengthy. Plus I think that only happens during like cinematics.

It usually happens in parts of games that are touch screen exclusive or where buttons have no function. It's not the in-game menu that's broken, it's actually the hotkeys that are used. There are some spots in games where hotkeyed buttons don't register because they have no function during that part of the game. If you changed your in-game menu hotkey to just one button like A, then usually the menu will pop up unless its a touchscreen exclusive game/or A serves no function at that segment of the game.