Gaming DS console, will it last a long time?

[ComplicatioN]

Im keeping mine for kh 358/2 days and gta chinatown wars

 

[monopoman]

Usually when somebody says "no current plans" it means they aren't working on it.. so it means no actual current plan.
I doubt Sony would be so unprofessional to tell us "lolz, no plans for psp2 lolz" and then they just come out of the closet one day saying "lol here it is, psp2! xD we were joking lolz".. Also they wouldn't be denying if they were actually planning/working on it so... yeah, I think there won't be a psp2 anytime soon (maybe a different handheld console..)

Sure they would if they want to surprise people with it. Its better if the hype starts right when the first pictures are leaked not if they mention it randomly in some interview. Nintendo didn't announce anything about the Wii until they were ready to reveal it. Obviously they were making a console after Gamecube but its not like they told everyone straight up exactly what the Wii would be like 2+ years before the console was out yet.

You ever hear of secrets of industry? There is a reason why they keep stuff hidden and it has a lot of reasons to do with corporations stealing technology and ideas. Anyways its irrelevant what the next Sony hand held is called it might as well be PSP2. They have yet to change the name of the home console after 3 generations making it the longest running pure name ever.

You can argue for Nintendo Super Nintendo Nintendo 64 but basically they are all similar because of the company name. Playstation is not a company name...

The other big reason to keep it quiet is so Nintendo has no clue if one is coming or when. When your competing with others letting people know early means Nintendo might start planning the DS 2 (Hypothetical Name) a bit earlier then they thought.

I also am reminded of rumors of a DS coming after DS Lite and people saying no no they won't make another one. Nintendo never gave official word but then low and behold months before a release date in Japan boom DSi came about. So really companies keeping things on the down low until they are ready is NOT a surprise at all.

Remember kids knowing is half the battle in industry and in life!

GI JOE!!!!!

 

[PettingZoo]

You can argue for Nintendo Super Nintendo Nintendo 64 but basically they are all similar because of the company name. Playstation is not a company name...
It was labeled as the Sony Playstation, saying Playstation is just like saying NES or Super NES or N64.

QUOTE(monopoman @ Jan 26 2009, 12:41 PM) I also am reminded of rumors of a DS coming after DS Lite and people saying no no they won't make another one. Nintendo never gave official word but then low and behold months before a release date in Japan boom DSi came about. So really companies keeping things on the down low until they are ready is NOT a surprise at all.

DSi is hardly the successor to the DS, its a sister product as the GBA Micro is to the GBA/SP.

 

[FAST6191]

Whoo engaging in random speculation.
I agree with others it will be sales based but going from a purely intuitive level it feels like it did towards the end of the GBA (around rom 2000) with a few good releases on the horizon but cash in and region dupes making up the majority of the games.

Re: "until the DSi is released stateside/in the Eu". Need I remind you all of the GB micro: the DS was fairly well entrenched by the time that appeared.

Re: homebrew. While I agree the next bunch of handhelds will likely have fairly serious homebrew potential (looking at the likes of the GP consoles and related stuff) the companies seem to be finally getting their act together from a security point of view although hopefully the usual routes of backwards compatibility and stock/common standards based hardware will be as useful as ever. Also Nintendo seem to have got the concept of cheap and cheerful fairly well entrenched (and why not when nearly everything else works on the same principle) so I would not go expecting an uber machine just yet.

As for the original poster go with another DS, even if a new console appears it is not as though the GBA and DS back catalogue and homebrew is suddenly going to vanish especially with how popular it and high bandwidth internet connections are these days and as mentioned homebrew may not be quite as quick as it was before.

 

[Eponasoft]

Rumors were flying around long before the DSi was announced, though most of us discarded them as complete bunk. The DSi is not exactly what the rumors said it would be, but it's pretty close. It's not the same exact thing as the DS though. Calling it a sister product is pretty accurate...though it would be the bigger sister.

 

[unknownworlder]

Just think back on those old days,

Nintendo Gameboy (Color / Advance):
- Sega -> Game Gear -> Color and beter cpu, descent, but in no way a GB beater
- Atari Lynx -> Powerfull CPU and color, i would say descent, but FAIL
- Neo-Geo Pocket (color) -> fail (pitty of this)
- Bandai Wonderswan (color / swancrystal) -> fail

Super Nintendo / Sega Megadrive:
- Sega Megacd -> Fail
- Atari jaguar -> Fail
- 3DO -> Overpriced, Fail
- Amiga CD32 -> Descent, but +/- 100.000 pcs sold is not enough, Fail
- Philips CD-i -> Big Fail
- FM-Towns (only sold in Japan but failed in the end)
- Neo Geo AES, overpriced and targetted to the richer ppl, i would not say fail, but it didn't at competition to the others.

Playstation:
- Neo Geo CD (CDZ) -> Fail (due to crappy load times and overheating issues)
- Sega Saturn -> Fail
- N64 -> Descent, but Fail

It's not always, more, better powerfull that ownz it all. Historie has proven that.
Sony better lays an ear to the customer to know what we really want in a PSP2.

FAIL?! How could that have failed? It was 64-bit!

Do the math!

And ON topic, I think the next handheld would probably come out in 7-8 years, but a redesign would be in 3-4.

 

[monopoman]

You can argue for Nintendo Super Nintendo Nintendo 64 but basically they are all similar because of the company name. Playstation is not a company name...
It was labeled as the Sony Playstation, saying Playstation is just like saying NES or Super NES or N64.

QUOTE(monopoman @ Jan 26 2009, 12:41 PM) I also am reminded of rumors of a DS coming after DS Lite and people saying no no they won't make another one. Nintendo never gave official word but then low and behold months before a release date in Japan boom DSi came about. So really companies keeping things on the down low until they are ready is NOT a surprise at all.

DSi is hardly the successor to the DS, its a sister product as the GBA Micro is to the GBA/SP.

Obviously its not a successor its the next model of the regular DS with some new bells and whistles. I know a lot of people thought the Lite would be the final model. That the next thing would have been a REAL DS 2 that plays Nintendo DS 2 games.

I never said it was a whole new platform at all. The fact I was using is that it was kept quiet until very very close to its release. Its not like they designed and developed it in a matter of a month before showing it off. I bet they were talking about that thing shortly after the DS Lite came out. But if you would have asked them 3 months after the DS Lite came out if they were working on a new DS model with a camera and other features they would have said oh no who told you that.

Yeah games that don't work on the DS Lite or DS and have superior graphics most likely. The fact is companies keep things secret a LOT if you think otherwise you really are blind to corporate policies. Crap some companies refuse to even comment on rumors stating straight up "We refuse to comment on any rumor."

 

[IzzehO]

Usually when somebody says "no current plans" it means they aren't working on it.. so it means no actual current plan.
I doubt Sony would be so unprofessional to tell us "lolz, no plans for psp2 lolz" and then they just come out of the closet one day saying "lol here it is, psp2! xD we were joking lolz".. Also they wouldn't be denying if they were actually planning/working on it so... yeah, I think there won't be a psp2 anytime soon (maybe a different handheld console..)

Sure they would if they want to surprise people with it. Its better if the hype starts right when the first pictures are leaked not if they mention it randomly in some interview. Nintendo didn't announce anything about the Wii until they were ready to reveal it. Obviously they were making a console after Gamecube but its not like they told everyone straight up exactly what the Wii would be like 2+ years before the console was out yet.

You ever hear of secrets of industry? There is a reason why they keep stuff hidden and it has a lot of reasons to do with corporations stealing technology and ideas. Anyways its irrelevant what the next Sony hand held is called it might as well be PSP2. They have yet to change the name of the home console after 3 generations making it the longest running pure name ever.

You can argue for Nintendo Super Nintendo Nintendo 64 but basically they are all similar because of the company name. Playstation is not a company name...

The other big reason to keep it quiet is so Nintendo has no clue if one is coming or when. When your competing with others letting people know early means Nintendo might start planning the DS 2 (Hypothetical Name) a bit earlier then they thought.

I also am reminded of rumors of a DS coming after DS Lite and people saying no no they won't make another one. Nintendo never gave official word but then low and behold months before a release date in Japan boom DSi came about. So really companies keeping things on the down low until they are ready is NOT a surprise at all.

Remember kids knowing is half the battle in industry and in life!

GI JOE!!!!!

Uhm.. wrong.. wrong... wrong.. and uhm... wrong. It has nothing to do with competition or stealing technology (lol? You think they need to steal technology when they basically implement 3rd party hardware and have a LEGION of engineers and IT people behind them?). And as for the rumours of the DS - I remember reading the first ones that spread some time in January last year. They claimed it was going to have a new everything and have 2 touch screens: cmon it was just something a child dreamed up and it remained that way for long enough that once it came - people connected the coincidences...

Onto the reason:
It's so very obvious to anyone who is even remotely interested in 'the industry'.. and for that matter 'in life'. If a company announced today that they would be releasing a NEW, SHINY and UPDATED product in 2 years time... what the hell do you think would happen to their old product? All those kids out there that spend a years worth of pocket money saving up for these things would say, 'HAH I'm not buying that.. I'll wait for the shiny, new thing because I'm not made of money'. No doubt the DSL has even suffered sales to the knowing of a US release of the DSi (even if it is just a gimmick, which many have seen through).

So instead of 'knowing', why not just use common sense?

 

[monopoman]

[Uhm.. wrong.. wrong... wrong.. and uhm... wrong. It has nothing to do with competition or stealing technology (lol? You think they need to steal technology when they basically implement 3rd party hardware and have a LEGION of engineers and IT people behind them?). And as for the rumours of the DS - I remember reading the first ones that spread some time in January last year. They claimed it was going to have a new everything and have 2 touch screens: cmon it was just something a child dreamed up and it remained that way for long enough that once it came - people connected the coincidences...

Onto the reason:
It's so very obvious to anyone who is even remotely interested in 'the industry'.. and for that matter 'in life'. If a company announced today that they would be releasing a NEW, SHINY and UPDATED product in 2 years time... what the hell do you think would happen to their old product? All those kids out there that spend a years worth of pocket money saving up for these things would say, 'HAH I'm not buying that.. I'll wait for the shiny, new thing because I'm not made of money'. No doubt the DSL has even suffered sales to the knowing of a US release of the DSi (even if it is just a gimmick, which many have seen through).

So instead of 'knowing', why not just use common sense?

Yeah that's why most companies won't even let you in the god damn building unless you work there. Try to go into Intel and take a look around good luck with that. The only way you get to see anything is on a tour and even that bypasses all the development rooms practically. Yes the whole I'm waiting for the next big thing is part of it but they do like to keep things secret period.

But again you lack the knowledge of corporate politics and what not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage

If there's no such thing as corporate secrets/espionage then why the hell is there a whole topic devoted to the damn subject. Also the more innovative a product is the more its probably kept a secret. If instead of the Wii we just got a more powerful Gamecube it really wouldn't be much of a big deal if they showed it off. But I know they didn't want MS and Sony to use the same controller technology that the Wii used in that generation. Imagine if 360, PS3 and Wii all had the same control scheme it sure would make the Wii far less unique.

 

[IzzehO]

Lol... it has it's whole topic devoted to it because it's wikipedia! This site has a topic devoted to dinkleberries for goodness sake, 3 million articles - of course it's going to have it.

Not to mention that topic is about sabotage not stealing technology.

As to your first point.. it's just what I said.. they don't let people in to see the development because gossip spreads fast and we once again see everybody hearing about it and the old product gets left by the wayside...

 

[monopoman]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Intel...ments,6565.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Esp...n-AMD,6359.html

http://www.cicentre.com/articles/cb_secrets_stolen.html

http://www.physorg.com/news69690296.html

http://thetradesecretsblog.wordpress.com/2...rate-espionage/

Sure it might not be as big of a problem in the game industry. But I know without a fact if you could get Wii Sports on 360 and PS3 with the same controller configuration people would be less inclined to buy a Wii.

It would be the problem with Gamecube all over again some great 1st party games not enough 3rd party games.

If you think Wii would still be so dominant in sales with the Wii mote on the PS3 and 360 you are kidding yourself.

But sure keep telling yourself that Intel and Nintendo only keeps such tight security on coming and goings because they don't want the fanboys to find out about it ahead of time.

I know only a select few of the most trusted Nintendo employees would have seen the original Wii prototype back when it was first being developed.

 

[Exbaddude]

The DS May last a few more years. They may make more better hand-held games and "WHOOOSH" the DS is gone.

 

[melvox]

I read somewhere that the PSP is a sinking ship...just can't remember where...

 

[EverlongNDS]

I think that the ds its a console for u too keep, and show it to you grandsoons ! u can put all of the best classics games ever in there!

not a big fan of dsi.. no gba slot.. hopefully the dsi will have a lot of RAW

 

[winrehs]

I read somewhere that the PSP is a sinking ship...just can't remember where...

Really? Those gossip are

. PSP are going to be here for quite sometime. Believe me.