Gaming Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker

[engruzii]

ok i found a site that might help a lot of people (including me

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The Slimes chart

The Dragons chart

The Beasts chart

The Demons chart

The Material chart

The Zombies chart

The Nature chart

The Incarni chart

hope that'll help you guys like it helped me

edit: ok found the main source for this list it has the same charts but in one page & you can use "find" option in your browser too

The full chart

 

[deathfisaro]

Thanks for the info, what rank is BD?

S

 

[Szyslak]

Great Dragon x Bone Baron

Bone Baron = Grim rider x Dark slime knight
Grim rider = Demon rider x Restless Armor
Dark Slime Knight = Dark Slime x Slime Knight

BD is just for filling library, I don't see any S/X rank recipe containing BD.

So true. Black Dragon is worthless for synthesizing. It's an 'S' rank that has nowhere else to go. You're much better off making a Drakulard -> Alabast Dragon.

And after the game is over, you can't scout Dark Slime Knights. So get a bunch on Infern Isle. Or you'll be able to synth them with Cockatrice x Slime Family.

 

[Joey Ravn]

Ok, I've been training my team. Both King Cure Slime and Great Dragon are in level 16 now, and the Incarnus at level 18. Which path do you recommend me to follow now? I can start synthing for 'good' A, S and X ranks monsters now. I can, for example, get a Demon-at-Arms, which I've heard is great, but I don't know... I was going for a Black Dragon, but now I hear he has no synth value... Oh, and BTW, I don't plan on competitive battling

Any tips? I don't want to spend another 20 hours getting monsters just to hit a dead end

 

[GeekyGuy]

So true. Black Dragon is worthless for synthesizing. It's an 'S' rank that has nowhere else to go. You're much better off making a Drakulard -> Alabast Dragon.

Meh...I like my black dragon, but perhaps I could've done better. That said, I wouldn't judge every monster by its rank. Look at Atlas' max stats, and he's also an S-rank monster. He can grow to be one of the most powerful creatures in the game.

 

[Szyslak]

Ok, I've been training my team. Both King Cure Slime and Great Dragon are in level 16 now, and the Incarnus at level 18. Which path do you recommend me to follow now? I can start synthing for 'good' A, S and X ranks monsters now. I can, for example, get a Demon-at-Arms, which I've heard is great, but I don't know... I was going for a Black Dragon, but now I hear he has no synth value... Oh, and BTW, I don't plan on competitive battling

Any tips? I don't want to spend another 20 hours getting monsters just to hit a dead end

The first tip would be to make sure that you have 3 strong monsters plus your incarnus. You can use the incarnus in the scout tournament, but after that, you never know where he might wander off to.

For your party, I would try to add a high level monster that has double trouble. Double trouble is very useful in battles and for scouting. So try for a Demon-at-arms or a Jamirus. Personally, Jamirus was my favorite monster during the normal game. I had him set up to hit hard with magic on his first turn, then attack on his second. Plus I really liked his battle animation.

There's nothing wrong with going for a Black Dragon, as long as you understand that you can't eventually turn him into something better. I used a Black Dragon for a long time. I just eventually got pissed when I realized he couldn't synth any further. That's why I think it's better to go for Drakulard x Mech-o-wyrm = Alabast. You need Alabast Dragons for the highest level synthesis chains, if that interests you.

@irpacynot - You're right. At a certain point it becomes much more important to concentrate on max stats and skill sets than rank. I was just agreeing that Black Dragon was worthless for synthesizing, not saying he was a worthless monster.

 

[Joey Ravn]

Following your advince, this is what I have planned:

Alabast = Drakulard + Mech-o-Wyrm

1. Drakulard = Drakularge + Atlas
2. Atlas = Gigantes + Boss Troll
3. Drakularge = Giant Moth + Dragon

1. Mech-o-Wyrm = Metal Dragon + Great Dragon
2. Metal Dragon = Red Dragon + Hunter Mech
3. Red Dragon = Green Dragon + Beast

Jamirus = King Cure Slime + Demon

1. Jamirus + Dingaling/Living Statue = Demon-at-Arms
2. Demon-at-arms + Buffalogre/Living Statue = Malroth
3. Malroth + Dullahan/Wight King = Zoma

As you can see, I plan on using my current team (Great Dragon and King Cure Slime) to get better monsters. Do you think that synthing Jamirus to get a Demon-at-Arms (to get the X-ranked Malroth and Zoma in turn) is a good step? Note that I plan on getting only the "lesser" ones from my ideal team. I'll focus on getting the X-ranked monsters later on, but I want to play some more of the story before advancing further.
Also, which other monster would you recommend me to get as a third member? If I have to ditch the Incarnus, I guess I'll need something that complements them well, won't I?

Thanks a bunch for all the help given

 

[deathfisaro]

Following your advince, this is what I have planned:

(chart)

As you can see, I plan on using my current team (Great Dragon and King Cure Slime) to get better monsters. Do you think that synthing Jamirus to get a Demon-at-Arms (to get the X-ranked Malroth and Zoma in turn) is a good step? Note that I plan on getting only the "lesser" ones from my ideal team. I'll focus on getting the X-ranked monsters later on, but I want to play some more of the story before advancing further.
Also, which other monster would you recommend me to get as a third member? If I have to ditch the Incarnus, I guess I'll need something that complements them well, won't I?

Thanks a bunch for all the help given

Okay, when you get D-at-A from Jamirus, make sure your Jamirus is at decent level, like mid 30s or maybe 40 flat. Because after you reach the finals, you can access Metal Manageries for hellota amount of EXP. Double Trouble is good, but make sure one of your monsters have Hatchet Man skill (easily acquired from Anti-Metal)

Do you remember me saying you'll need 2 Great Dragons, one for Mech-o-Wyrm and one for Black Dragon? Synth the Black Dragon, and when you wear him out, synth it with other monsters to get Great Dragon again (Note that this Great Dragon will be stronger than before which results in stronger Mech-o-Wyrm and stronger Alabast)

If you synth King Cure Slime into an attackers, you might want to get another healer. Jamirus is good at MP, AGI and WIS, but Demon-at-Arms is not. So while you're using Jamirus it's fine, when you synth it into D-at-A get a healer. Before then any decent stat Psycho monster would do.

 

[Szyslak]

As you can see, I plan on using my current team (Great Dragon and King Cure Slime) to get better monsters. Do you think that synthing Jamirus to get a Demon-at-Arms (to get the X-ranked Malroth and Zoma in turn) is a good step? Note that I plan on getting only the "lesser" ones from my ideal team. I'll focus on getting the X-ranked monsters later on, but I want to play some more of the story before advancing further.
Also, which other monster would you recommend me to get as a third member? If I have to ditch the Incarnus, I guess I'll need something that complements them well, won't I?

Thanks a bunch for all the help given

That looks like a pretty good plan to me, and deathfisaro is giving some great advice ^^.

The only thing I would change is that I think Drakulard is easier to make with Drakularge + Pazuzu, but that may be only because it's easy to scout Silvapitheci a little later.

BTW, many of the pieces you need can be synthed by scouting the Wailin Weed coming out of the flower on Fert Isle at night.

Something you might want to try out for a while: When you make Jamirus, keep Cure-all from the king cureslime. Then set Jamirus's tactics to "focus on healing" or "mix it up". Jamirus will heal on his first turn if needed, and attack on his second. You can use him like that until the end of the game if you want. It's not necessary to make him into Demon-at-Arms any time soon (or at all for that matter). DaA is easy to make with Wailin Jennings.

One key to all this is that you shouldn't overthink it. If you're not worried about wi-fi, as you say, then there are 500 different combinations that you can win the game with. Just have fun creating the team you like, then level the crap out of them.

 

[94dan]

What's with all this King Cureslime -> Jamirus -> Demon-At-Arms?

I find it way easier to skip Jamirus.

I have a Demon-at-arms, Living Statue, and Killer Machine (Not sure if that's what it's called...). I'm holding out on Malroth 'till I get Uberheal, and I also have a Grim Rider for making a Zoma, so I've got my plan planned out.

But, after that, is Killer Machine a dead end? It seems quite a few S Ranks are.

 

[Szyslak]

I'm glad you have your plan planned out dan. Wouldn't want you to have your plan unplanned.

Unfortunately, Killing Machine is also a dead end, and his level caps at 50, which really sucks.

And I don't think anyone is saying that KCS->Jamirus->DatA is the easiest way to get DatA. We were just answering a question about Joey Ravn's party and where to go. The easiest way to get DatA is clearly Wailin Weed + Demon family.

 

[94dan]

I'm glad you have your plan planned out dan. Wouldn't want you to have your plan unplanned.

Unfortunately, Killing Machine is also a dead end, and his level caps at 50, which really sucks.

And I don't think anyone is saying that KCS->Jamirus->DatA is the easiest way to get DatA. We were just answering a question about Joey Ravn's party and where to go. The easiest way to get DatA is clearly Wailin Weed + Demon family.

I just synthed a coupled high-rank-just-scouted monsters to get an A-rank with a demon to get some of mine.

I don't use them for sything until I've trained them to level 30 or so, then synthed them with a Phoenix Staff, until they have good stats. Doesn't take too long.

But, the one I have, I got by synthing a komodo with something to make a Green Dragon, that with something else to make a... That aquatic dragon... That with something else to make a Red Dragon, then Mechanodragon, then Abyss Diver, then Megalodon (Or whatever it's called), then Dracularge (or Drakulard, I forget which is which) then Great Dragon, then Demon at Arms.

I had it ever since I decided to stop using the Incarnus. Which was right after that Palace island.

As for the Living Statue, It was a Slime, and my starter (a Dracky), going up the ranks of slimes until King Bubbleslime. Then after that, it was a Living Statue, then a Yabby, then a Buffalogre, then a Living Statue.

The Killer Machine is only a 4th Gen. I just got 2 Bodkin archers, 2 Beetle-thingys, synthed them to get, 2 skeleton soldiers, synthed them to get Phantom Swordsman, and synthed that with a Metal Hunter. I didn't train any of them but the Killer Machine rocks.

So, my Zoma will be basically everything I used Early, Mid, and some of Late game.

On a separate note, I got 10 darkonium crystals before going to the last temple, which made that scene funny.

Oh, great, I've been rambling. And stuff... *Snore*

 

[zeppo]

how can I get all the king slimes easily?

 

[GeekyGuy]

Hmm...I took about a week off from the game when Revenant Wings hit, but then came back to it last night. Figured I'd try to do some more leveling up and then meet the requirements to battle Solitaire. While I was grinding I noticed that my Atlas was no longer leveling. It says 0 exp `til next level. He's at level 50 with about 600-some HP. There's a medal icon near his level. Is that his max? The monster FAQ states that his stats can go much higher. The weird thing is, is my Black Dragon is level 55 (with over 700 HP) and still going...

 

[cupajoe]

Hmm...I took about a week off from the game when Revenant Wings hit, but then came back to it last night. Figured I'd try to do some more leveling up and then meet the requirements to battle Solitaire. While I was grinding I noticed that my Atlas was no longer leveling. It says 0 exp `til next level. He's at level 50 with about 600-some HP. There's a medal icon near his level. Is that his max? The monster FAQ states that his stats can go much higher. The weird thing is, is my Black Dragon is level 55 (with over 700 HP) and still going...Â

I think it might have to do with how many times they're synthed. How many times was Atlas synthed?

 

[zeppo]

The number of times a monster has been synthed is shown in the top left corner of their info box, and the higher this number is the stronger the monster. Also, when (most) monsters are lever 50, they can't get to any higher level and a little ribbon is shown next to their name to signify this.

 

[GeekyGuy]

...Also, when (most) monsters are [level] 50, they can't get to any higher level and a little ribbon is shown next to their name to signify this.

Hmm...so, is that generally for all Atlas, or is it based also on the number of times the monster has been synthed, regardless of which type of monster it is? Because, like I said, it was my understanding that Atlas' stats could go quite a bit higher.

 

[Szyslak]

...Also, when (most) monsters are [level] 50, they can't get to any higher level and a little ribbon is shown next to their name to signify this.


Hmm...so, is that generally for all Atlas, or is it based also on the number of times the monster has been synthed, regardless of which type of monster it is? Because, like I said, it was my understanding that Atlas' stats could go quite a bit higher.

Stat max has nothing to do with level max. Each monster has a level max. Many monsters have a max level of 50. Some 75, some 99.

If you've hit your max level, but not your max stats, synth again, and next time, your monster will level faster. You will still have the same max level, but your stat growth will be faster and you might get your max stats.

You now see why some monsters have an inherent disadvantage. And why Killing machine sucks. If your monster caps level at 50, it's very hard to get to the max stats.

I don't know why the max level isn't included in the monster guide. It would be quite helpful.

BTW, I'm like you, I can't get away from this game yet. I keep coming back to it.

 

[GeekyGuy]

Thanks, man.

Well, perhaps I'll do like you suggest, and synth my Atlas once more (if I can).

 

[Szyslak]

Thanks, man.

Well, perhaps I'll do like you suggest, and synth my Atlas once more (if I can).

If it was your first time getting Atlas to level 50, you'll probably have to synth him & level him a few more times to get to max stats. You might want to boost his agility or wisdom with skill sets synthed from other monsters though. His low agility will hurt you in battles against very strong monsters.