did piracy really kill the dreamcast?

Discussion in 'Other Consoles & Oldies' started by CJL18, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. CJL18

    CJL18 GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Mar 4, 2007
    United States
    i know this has been discussed so many times, but makes you wonder did piracy really kill the dreamcast?
  2. JohnLoco

    JohnLoco GBAtemp Regular

    Mar 20, 2010
    Didnt they kill themselves with those fancy expensive CDs to start with?
  3. Cyan

    Cyan GBATemp's lurking knight

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    Oct 27, 2002
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    Isn't the DS more pirated than the dreamcast was ? though, it didn't die. Piracy has nothing to do with success.
  4. camurso_

    camurso_ GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Dec 23, 2004
    PS2 killed Dreamcast
  5. Rosales

    Rosales Advanced Member

    May 23, 2009
    United States
    It contributed.
    The DS is a very kid friendly system, and a lot of parents are against pirating, so they buy the games for their kids. Kids is how Nintendo makes most of their money. Then Nintendo has a lot of "Nintendo purist fanboys" who will buy anything that says Nintendo on it.
    Moving on topic. Yes the piracy contributed as I said. But there's two factors that really killed the DC.

    1) DVD's. The lack of DVD support really killed the system's use. Meanwhile people who waited for a PS2 got both a high-tech system capable of much more and a DVD player.

    2)Sega's infamously bad marketing. It seems mid-genesis/mega-drive's lifespan, they sort of... forgot how to advertise. The advertising wasn't nearly as bad as the Sega Saturn, another good system kept in the shadows. But it wasn't good. The PS1 had been excelling in advertising, beating all of the console competition before the DC. In the end, Sega could of done better marketing.

    Long story short; Sega killed the Dreamcast.
  6. BlueStar

    BlueStar GBAtemp Psycho!

    Jan 10, 2006
    One thing about Dreamcast piracy was that it was so easy to play back-ups and the exploits to do this were found pretty early in its life. Yeah, DS piracy isn't exactly rocket science, but you have to buy a card, put firmware on, keep it updates etc - you basically have to make a concious decision to pirate and buy a device to enable it. Plus when I first got my SuperCard SD it was too much of a ballache for most gamers to bother with and the DS built up a solid userbase before the R4 came along.Same with PS2 chips. With the Dreamcast anyone who had one, even the parents/kids who make up the usually solid userbase of people too daunted by technology to pirate stuff didn't have to have their system long before they found themselves being offered games for a few quid on market stalls or from slightly more savvy friends, without any of the usual stuff about having to give their machine to someone to fit a dodgy bit of kit into it first.
  7. Rosales

    Rosales Advanced Member

    May 23, 2009
    United States
    Well it is as you said. With DC pirating, the only thing you had to buy was a fat stack of CD's. With DS? Gotta pick the right cart (Like I picked a DSTT). PS2? Right modchip, piracy method, or whatever. Same even applied to Sega's prior system, Saturn; you had to buy NOT ONLY A CERTAIN FUCKING MODEL but had to buy a modchip.
    Still; the internet wasn't as "in" back then. Back then piracy wasn't as much of an issue. Had the DC been released EXACTLY how it was back then today? Piracy would of completely killed it. As I keep saying.

    Sega killed the Dreamcast.
  8. thaddius

    thaddius Charmander is not pleased.

    May 5, 2008

    People already distrusted Sega for the blunder that was releasing the Saturn soon after the 32X. And the Saturn's surprise release date didn't help matters.

    The fact that the DC could played burned games right out of the box in an age when everyone had a CD burner was not great. I think piracy was a major problem, but most people attribute it to the fact that the PS2 was coming out soon.
  9. Cyan

    Cyan GBATemp's lurking knight

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    What I remember is that Internet wasn't that spread while Dreamcast was out. I never managed to pirate it correctly (I couldn't find the Games to be copied, and my utopia didn't work correctly (maybe a bad copy)).
    With the DS, I converted everyone I know to use a flashcard (up to 54 years old collegue and her dad (~80)), internet is everywhere and the roms are easy to find.

    I think there's a lot more possibilities to pirate with DS than Dreamcast had.
  10. r3dfaction

    r3dfaction GBAtemp Regular

    May 17, 2009
    United States
    I agree, it was poorly mentioned in retails, and I think you forgot that they released the system too early which made an impact as well.

    I think the dreamcast would've been a success, if it was properly advertised.
  11. Arm73

    Arm73 GBAtemp Addict

    Mar 4, 2006
    I agree with everything so far, included that Sega ultimately killed the Dreamcast with bad design decision and poor marketing, and the PS2 with DVD player wasn't far away....
    That said, I still play my DC, it sits on top of my Desktop PC and is constantly hooked to my monitor with a VGA box.
    I wish I could do that natively with my Wii !
    I don't think I will ever quit the DC altogether, there are too many arcade-like games that can be played over and over again for a quick rush...( even Ikaruga feels better on the DC + computer monitor then on the GC ) all I need to do is switch my monitor input and I'm set.....
    Too bad they never accomplished a way to use a hard drive with the DC ( sort of USB Loader for Wii ) , that would have been awesome and I bet that loading times would have been super duper fast.....[​IMG]
  12. Bloodgod

    Bloodgod 嵐の王

    Mar 25, 2007
    United States
    -no 3rd party support
    -PS2 was being released "Soon"
    -No DVD drive

    All in that order. BUT what really killed it was Sega giving up on it. They stopped production all together. Consumers eventually lost trust and took the jump to the PS2 camp.

    G4's Icon "The History Of Sega Dreamcast" if you got 16mins to waste, use these links. Def a great watch if your a DC fan

    Side Note. I have 2 DCs sitting at home. Problem is I lost all my "games" I recently got from the interwebs. *facepalm* miss placed my cd folder
  13. BORTZ

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  14. OuTee

    OuTee GBAtemp Regular

    Nov 13, 2007
    PSX1 was also pirated everywhere and it did great so i just dont get the "piracy is killing us" stuff...
  15. ganons

    ganons GBAtemp Addict

    Jun 12, 2005
    considering the fact that dc required hardly any effort to pirate. self boot disc or a boot cd. it was piratable out of the box
  16. Rosales

    Rosales Advanced Member

    May 23, 2009
    United States
    PS2 is a shining example of shining over piracy. The PS2 has piracy everywhere. Sure you have to mod the motherfucker, but the point is, piracy didn't kill it. Nothing did, nothing could. The PS2 STILL isn't dead yet, and has been around during a day of huge piracy. And as said, so has the DS. If piracy hurts any current system, it's the PSP in America and Europe. I have to be the only fucker I know that'll actually buy a PSP game anymore, it's fucking rediculous, it really is. EVEN THEN the PSP is healthier than the DC ever was.
  17. TwinRetro

    TwinRetro Global Moderator

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    Aug 29, 2008
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    The reason the dreamcast is dead is because of the release of the PS2. All of the 3rd party developers went "fuck your shit" to the Dreamcast and headed to the PS2.
  18. _Chaz_

    _Chaz_ GBAtemp's Official Mook™

    Sep 12, 2009
    United States
    I thought it went for a while in Japan...
  19. Maz7006

    Maz7006 iSEXu

    Aug 2, 2008
    Both of these at the same time

    Dreamcast was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and had shit to offer when it came to games. May get a lot of hate for this, but it was complete and utter fail to start off with. Developers just saw much more money and opportunity with the PS2, simple as that.
  20. TrolleyDave

    TrolleyDave Philosolosophising

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    Jan 1, 2007
    Wales, UK
    Like Maz said, Sega and the launch of the PS2 contributed towards the demise of the Dreamcast. Piracy may have been a factor but it was a very small one. Sega's claims that piracy killed it were just a lazy ego protecting denial that they fucked up. Not everybody had high speed internet back then and very few people would be willing to spend a week (with call charges as well) downloading a game. It would have been cheaper to pick it up second hand.

    One of the major contributing factors to the death of the Dreamcast was how they pissed off alot of developers when the canned the Saturn. They killed it off pretty early in it's life and forced a bunch of developers (like EA) to part ways with them. Hence the reason there were no really decent 3rd party sports titles. In a way you could say the Sega Saturn killed the Dreamcast as well.

    The PS2 was also a huge contributing factor. Alot of Sony fanboys back then were rabid, and I mean proper foamers. They made Xbox360 fanboys look intelligent. So many of them refused to accept that any other console would be good. The amount of times I heard "Nope, I'm waiting for the PS2 cos I know it's going to be the best console ever" was ridiculous.