Gaming Control (2019) PC, Ray Tracing THOUGHTS

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So i got this game free from the epic store (nvidia promotion). Ive only played a little but... here are my initial thoughts

-this game is very DEMANDING on specs with Ray Tracing. Its Insane. Im playing on a RTX 2080 SUPER and having RTX(ray tracing) on, it avg 63-68fps but can dip very low to the 40s, and this is just the beginning...

-YES this game has PS3 quality graphics, in case you were wondering. It plays very smooth though like a ps3 game. It the destructables that make it necessary to have ps3 graphics. Changing the resolution higher doesnt help, its just a ps3 game.

-Back to framerates. for 1080p i saw 63-68fps avg. 1440p 33-37fps avg. 2160p 17-27fps avg with RTX high. Even without ray tracing this game is very demanding.

-It plays like Infamous(ps3) mixed with Star Wars The Force Unleashed. very smooth and very responsive.

This game shows that ray tracing simply isnt ready right now, maybe in 5 years it will be but thats only for 1080p, its hard to say if 8k will be the standard by then already but graphics cards would have to make a quantum leap in a short period to achieve ray tracing at 4k at that point. Its a nice game that tries to fully demo what ray tracing can do but for just having the aesthetics alone and purchasing a RTX card simply isnt worth the upgrade.

As for me I missed out on buying a GTX series card but there were a lot of scalpers with gpus in that era so it simply wasnt worth it either and going new with a RTX card was bette than buying a GTX card.

But anyone reading this, DONT BUY A RTX CARD!!! just for raytracing, its not ready and maybe never will be. Go with AMD RX5700XT or higher instead. I realized that my card as "Coil Whine" and its very annoying. I researched the phenomenon and it seems to be happening with a lot of rtx cards, even the really expensive ones, which is not acceptable. Of course i find this out a few days after the 1month return period so Im kinda Screwed.
 

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for reference, my card is a RTX 2080 SUPER - MSI VENTUS OC. All 2080super have the same performance across every design because of all have the same chip and cores and whatnots. the VENTUS card is the cheapest custom design and it costs...

$785 tax included to play Control, a ps3 game, at 1080p 40-68fps. To play the game without ray tracing at 1080p 40-68fps it only costs $70used-$200new on a cheaper AMD or GTX card. I chose the 2080super for 4k 55-65fps and future proofing, but id kind of advise everyone not to do the same.
 

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I think you should look back on how PS3 games actually looked, cause i definitely don't remember any game looking anywhere near that.
Other than that, I take Control as a tech demo, ray tracing isn't optimized properly enough yet and isn't easy to implement, hence why nvidia needs to help in almost every case so far that uses ray tracing
 

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I think you should look back on how PS3 games actually looked, cause i definitely don't remember any game looking anywhere near that.
Other than that, I take Control as a tech demo, ray tracing isn't optimized properly enough yet and isn't easy to implement, hence why nvidia needs to help in almost every case so far that uses ray tracing

i still play ps3, this game is that. its very blurry
 

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i still play ps3, this game is that. its very blurry

This kind of blurriness is what I don't like in most modern games. If I had the game, I would make a simple reshade preset for you. Just a little tweaking and sharpening should get it to look much better. But it is nowhere near PS3 graphics, it just seems that way because of the bad filter.

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To prove OP isn't as crazy as it sounds:

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It's definitely the blur effect, but remove it and it'll look much better.

EDIT 2:
Mafia III was notorious for this. Just look at how reshade completely fixes it:
http://sfx.thelazy.net/games/screenshot/47434/
http://sfx.thelazy.net/games/screenshot/47443/
(hover the mouse over the pic to check before/after)
 
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This kind of blurriness is what I don't like in most modern games. If I had the game, I would make a simple reshade preset for you. Just a little tweaking and sharpening should get it to look much better. But it is nowhere near PS3 graphics, it just seems that way because of the bad filter.

EDIT
To prove OP isn't as crazy as it sounds:

D46ilQSXoAAjpX1


It's definitely the blur effect, but remove it and it'll look much better.

EDIT 2:
Mafia III was notorious for this. Just look at how reshade completely fixes it:
http://sfx.thelazy.net/games/screenshot/47434/
http://sfx.thelazy.net/games/screenshot/47443/
(hover the mouse over the pic to check before/after)

i dont know why they do that. The chicks face and hair in Control are a blurry mess upclose.
 

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since we are talking about ingame RTX when will Minecraft get RTX support?

ive never played Minecraft but I think I'll have to buy it when Ray Tracing comes out. Not sure when that'll be, but theres a mod for AMD card to do raytracing too from what Ive seen on youtube
 

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its almost the exact same thing. Its the first time Ive seen Ray Tracing first hand, and it actually isnt worth the money if someone were to buy an expensive card JUST for rtx.

Oh there is a huge difference, it has way more calculations and can be used for global illumination. Check the new Metro game. Also it's still developing.

 

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Oh there is a huge difference, it has way more calculations and can be used for global illumination. Check the new Metro game. Also it's still developing.


LOL that video was made using a movie production card that isnt even buyable or something like $50,000. As far as I seen Control has the best ray tracing tech out right now and it really isnt all that impressive at least to me. Youtubers who probably got a powerful gpu for free probably think its impressive, but me, it really isnt worth the price tag just for raytracing, but for 4k 55-65fps gaming yea its kinda worth it right now. The other cards 2070/2060super just dont even try it LOL (although Control does have some of the smoothest 24-30fps gameplay ive ever seen somehow)
 

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LOL that video was made using a movie production card that isnt even buyable or something like $50,000. As far as I seen Control has the best ray tracing tech out right now and it really isnt all that impressive at least to me. Youtubers who probably got a powerful gpu for free probably think its impressive, but me, it really isnt worth the price tag just for raytracing, but for 4k 55-65fps gaming yea its kinda worth it right now. The other cards 2070/2060super just dont even try it LOL (although Control does have some of the smoothest 24-30fps gameplay ive ever seen somehow)

But that doesn't change the point. It isn't the exact same thing as path tracing, it's vastly different. You can't get path tracing to look that good.

Also yes, they used a Volta GPU workstation, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that in the coming future the tech will be heavily optimized, as I said it's still developing. The RTX 2080 Super is a beast of a card, all you need to do is wait and there will be more RTX games in the future that are better optimized. Not to mention, you're trying to do both 4K and RTX.

And arguably, the Metro game is the best RTX enabled game out there currently.

 

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But that doesn't change the point. It isn't the exact same thing as path tracing, it's vastly different. You can't get path tracing to look that good.

Also yes, they used a Volta GPU workstation, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that in the coming future the tech will be heavily optimized, as I said it's still developing. The RTX 2080 Super is a beast of a card, all you need to do is wait and there will be more RTX games in the future that are better optimized. Not to mention, you're trying to do both 4K and RTX.

And arguably, the Metro game is the best RTX enabled game out there currently.


I knew ray tracing was only for 1080p, i looked up the performance of the regular 2080 before i chose the Super variant. I dont have a 120-144hz monitor or a 1440p monitor so i had to just stick to 4k-60f. Im just saying for those that ONLY want Ray Tracing, The cost is not worth it yet (maybe not ever).
 

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I knew ray tracing was only for 1080p, i looked up the performance of the regular 2080 before i chose the Super variant. I dont have a 120-144hz monitor or a 1440p monitor so i had to just stick to 4k-60f. Im just saying for those that ONLY want Ray Tracing, The cost is not worth it yet (maybe not ever).

Currently maybe so, but I do feel like it'll be the norm in the future. We'll see I guess.
 

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Currently maybe so, but I do feel like it'll be the norm in the future. We'll see I guess.

i felt like it was going to be the norm in the future too, but playing Control, I really dont think it's going to be the norm. Because of the move from 1080p to 2160p, and the cost or the wait for a gpu to be able to handle that at a midrange price. It'll be 10years for midrange to have ray tracing at 4k, but at that point 4k wont be the standard anymore. Control the game itself is very good though, even without the ray tracing.
 

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i felt like it was going to be the norm in the future too, but playing Control, I really dont think it's going to be the norm. Because of the move from 1080p to 2160p, and the cost or the wait for a gpu to be able to handle that at a midrange price. It'll be 10years for midrange to have ray tracing at 4k, but at that point 4k wont be the standard anymore. Control the game itself is very good though, even without the ray tracing.

Well in these years tech has been growing rapidly, I don't think it'll be too long.
 
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