Big Blue Menu Questions

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  1. Habitate
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    I'M SORRY IF THIS WAS POSTED EARLYER OR IT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO POST THIS.
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    Hello everyone, I have some questions about big blue menu and .cia files since I'm new to this.
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    Today I found out about .cia files and an app called Big Blue Menu. I read a bunch of posts about this, but I still have some questions that might be helpful to others too.
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    Before I say anything, this is some info you guys might need:
    Console: 3DS (Old)
    sysNAND: 4.2 - 4.4 (Can't remember :/)
    Gateway ULTRA: Set up and working perfectly (Also some games have private headers)
    emuNAND: 10.# (Can't remember the end).
    Also I believe that I can install Big Blue Menu without any problems.
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    So the questions:
    1.How can I brick my 3ds by using it? (So i can prevent it and not do something stupid)

    2.Is it true that I shouldn't open the installed apps or games while in sysNAND (not in gateway mode)?

    3.And will opening data managment delete everything that I installed? Will having emuNAND set up (like I have) prevent this?

    4. (This is something I didn't understand while reading other posts) This relates to question 3. To prevent it do I need to separate my sysNAND from emuNAND (by formating system with the SD Card ejected) or did I do it when I first set up emuNAND? ( Gateway Menu -> Format emuNAND -> Launch gateway mode -> version in settings says "GW 4.#" -> updating it to GW 10.#)

    5. When I install DLC for example: Fantasy Life: Origin Island. People say "Never enter the extra content or DLC options inside the games or else the DLC you installed will disappear. If they disappear, you'll have to install them again." What do they mean? Can someone give me an example of how do I even enter the "Extra options or DLC options" in Fire Emblem: Awakening or Fantasy Life?

    I'm looking forward for replies :)
    Thanks for your time!
     
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    1.If you use BBM to update Emunand, after L+R+A, do remember never press HOME after finished, just use POWER to shut it down.
    Or else, that could cause the system modules partially updated. Thus what you can choose is only restoring the nand image with hardware.
    Yes, this is quite DANGEROUS. Unless what you want is a 9.5 Emunand for New 3ds. If your console is an old 3ds, lucky for you you could have almost the latest emunand, so get to the system setting and confirm that is emunand, do update there - no back to HomeMenu please.
    2.If the CIA isn't a legit CIA, or not purchased before, without any signature patched the app would get deleted. Just as those DLCs not bought be deleted when entering eShop.
    Legit CIAs are those pre-installed on a XX-Edition console, and it is marked to be legit. So those wouldn't get deleted.
    3.Without signature patched when opening the data management everything it thinks as pirated would be wiped out. So with signature patched you can do with sysNand.
    That's also why you can still update your sysNand with SysUpdator. That CIA does run with devMode, say only a signature patch and nothing else.
    4.Once your Emunand is ready, meh for example devmenu cia installed, you can unlink those. power down, plug sd out, boot, format.
    Unlink it would cause two or more SD entries on your SD, sd:/Nintendo 3DS/../.. . So delete actions from one would not affect the other.
    5.That means, eshop would automatically detects what you didn't purchased, or say pirated, and uninstall those dlc. Note only dlc, updates/apps wouldn't. Avoid Eshop if DLC.
    Note: not only those tickets, but also the actual content on SD would be removed. Some games' inner DLC option would launch eShop, so..

    Farewell. Have your days playing happily. Note: try searching for your answer on Google/Forum search may be quite faster than waiting for answer.
     
    Last edited by Syphurith, Oct 27, 2015 - Reason: Right, BBM updating is quite dangerous. Unless for new 3ds.
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    Thank you so much for your time :)

    Sorry if I annoy you, could you please give me a more straight forward for question 4?

    What are you reffering by saying L+R+A? I'm new to all this, and can't seem to find much answers on google.

    And so if I understand correctly, if I have pirated DLC i can't open EShop or it will get deleted.
    And I can't brick my console if I don't update my emuNAND with BBM?

    Btw I really don't get this: If I understand this correctly, when I set up emuNAND the SD card got split in 2 partitions (1 for emuNAND and 1 for sysNAND) Why would the apps appear on both places? And if I update emuNAND with BBM and mess up why would sysNAND be affected?
     
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  4. EmceeKerser

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    The fuckin' Blue Mountains brah
    Its pretty straight forward, look up how to unlink emu and sys nands.

    Dont use BBM to update emunand, use sysupdater in rxtools devmode.

    Yes
    You cannot brick your console if you do not install things to the NAND.
    Emunand has a separate partition for system files, but the firmware version and stuff. However they share all the same apps. Its better to unlink, especially if you want to set up autoboot or something.
     
  5. Habitate
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    This might seem like a really really really stupid question, but will formating sys (without the sd of course) by any way return my firmware back to the one i got my 3ds the first time or will it leave it the same?
     
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    The fuckin' Blue Mountains brah
    Of course not, otherwise no one would ever need to worry. It just wipes your apps and resets your settings
     
  7. Habitate
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    And 1 more thing what is rxtools and devmode? And why should i use them to update emuNAND? Can't I just go into setting and if it says GW #.# update it then?
     
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    Does unlinking sys and emu nands have any downsides and particular good sides?
     
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    The fuckin' Blue Mountains brah
    Well yeah, you can. But BBM for updating was mentioned somewhere, and you shouldnt do that.
     
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    First you must know those GW3D, Ver., Rx3D, and those string. Those tells you're in SysNand or EmuNand.
    To get a particular version of SysNand, you could have SysUpdator. But you must be in RxTools-DevMode, PBT-CFW, or Pasta(without firmlaunch, legacy version) to use it.
    Yep, everytime you tried to update the sysnand with GW mode.. I think you're already waiting for soldering to restore the image with hardware.
    To get a particular version of EmuNand, that is mostly what new 3ds want, cause their emunand support only up to 9.5. So some use BBM/Devmenu620 and L+R+A. Dangerous.
    To get a latest version of EmuNand, I suggest you to go to system settings. There you could confirm that is emu/sys first. Then just update it without any back to HomeMenu.
    Unlinking is mostly a striction added. Sometimes there're friends/guys/children open it and tap randomly. Without signature patch an unsigned app could be removed.
    Why i would tell you to avoid accessing eshop? Well if you have almost 4GB DLC installed as CIA.. That's quite plenty of time to install them all over.
    However seen you're using a GW card.. Well.. Yes nothing else i wanna say.
     
  11. Habitate
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    Thanks for helping me out. You saved me a ton of time, so thanks again :)
     
  12. Habitate
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    [/QUOTE]Unlinking is mostly a striction added. Sometimes there're friends/guys/children open it and tap randomly. Without signature patch an unsigned app could be removed.
    Why i would tell you to avoid accessing eshop? Well if you have almost 4GB DLC installed as CIA.. That's quite plenty of time to install them all over.
    However seen you're using a GW card.. Well.. Yes nothing else i wanna say.[/QUOTE]

    So i read some forums, and people say that i unlinked my nands when I formated emuNAND for the first time. Can you confirm this?
    And by saying "However seen you're using GW card" Do you mean that accesing eshop in emuNand for me wont delete anything? Or am I just really confused.
     
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    Unlinking is mostly a striction added. Sometimes there're friends/guys/children open it and tap randomly. Without signature patch an unsigned app could be removed.
    Why i would tell you to avoid accessing eshop? Well if you have almost 4GB DLC installed as CIA.. That's quite plenty of time to install them all over.
    However seen you're using a GW card.. Well.. Yes nothing else i wanna say.[/QUOTE]

    So i read some forums, and people say that i unlinked my nands when I formated emuNAND for the first time. Can you confirm this?
    And by saying "However seen you're using GW card" Do you mean that accesing eshop in emuNand for me wont delete anything? Or am I just really confused.[/QUOTE]

    Same question about Unlink Nand after format the emunand. (Have any method to know if is really unliked?)
     
  14. Habitate
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    So i read some forums, and people say that i unlinked my nands when I formated emuNAND for the first time. Can you confirm this?
    And by saying "However seen you're using GW card" Do you mean that accesing eshop in emuNand for me wont delete anything? Or am I just really confused.[/QUOTE]

    Same question about Unlink Nand after format the emunand. (Have any method to know if is really unliked?)[/QUOTE]
    I don't know either
     
  15. EmceeKerser

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    The fuckin' Blue Mountains brah
    Holy shit learn to quote.

    Your nand is still linked after format emunand. You can tell if you look in your 3ds folder. If there's one folder with random letters and numbers then that's your sysnand. If there are two then they're unlinked
     
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    Same question about Unlink Nand after format the emunand. (Have any method to know if is really unliked?)[/QUOTE]
    I don't know either[/QUOTE]
    Try changing the theme in one or rearranging the icons and see if it changes in the other. If it does it is linked, if it doesn't it is unlinked.
     
  17. Habitate
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    I don't know either[/QUOTE]
    Try changing the theme in one or rearranging the icons and see if it changes in the other. If it does it is linked, if it doesn't it is unlinked.[/QUOTE]
    You can confirm if your NANDS are unlinked if in SD/Nintendo3DS/ there are 2 folders with random letters. If there is only 1 they are still linked.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    I dont know if things has changed now, because i can go into data management and even into eshop and my CIA (games, updates and DLCs) were never been deleted