Hacking Atmosphere CFW Cold Boot?

[scary_dog]

NO! It's not

Ok then did they mean softmod i.e booting into RCM without jig?

 

[tinkle]

Ok then did they mean softmod i.e booting into RCM without jig?

They mean you only need the jig once.

 

[weatMod]

Learn to read. It clearly says you only need the jig once for the superior TX product. Don't conflalgate your inferior open sores product with a successful implementation of what people ACTUALLY want.

learn2Chingrish
it means nothing
probably means that if you keep it in sleep mode and not hard reboot
we don't know yet

 

[lukhart]

Yeah but you only have to do it again if you turn off your switch right? Mine is always on sleep mode so I guess coldboot or not doesn't really matter for me.

 

[Naxster]

At launch up to 3.0.0, soonTM after that up to 4.1.0, anything above that is uncertain.

I have a 3.0.1 right now, do you think it would be better for me to try find a 3.0.0 instead? Okay I know it's better, but is it worth the effort to search and find for one?

 

[SomeGamer]

I have a 3.0.1 right now, do you think it would be better for me to try find a 3.0.0 instead? Okay I know it's better, but is it worth the effort to search and find for one?

That's entirely up to you to decide if it's worth it for you.

 

[Naxster]

That's entirely up to you to decide if it's worth it for you.

I know

But I don't want to wait like 1 year for 3.0.1 to have cold boot into CFW

 

[SomeGamer]

I know

But I don't want to wait like 1 year for 3.0.1 to have cold boot into CFW

The thing is, no one knows how soon that is. Not even the RS guys. You just can't set a date and magically finish all the coding this thing needs.

 

[Kubas_inko]

So it's confirmed that 4.1 has a coldboot exploit? I heard somewhere that people were waiting for mariko to drop before making the exploit public. Is this true?

Every FW has coldboot exploit (of some sort)

 

[mnemonicpunk]

Upon release Atmosphere will have tethered coldboot functionality.

This means
- Tethered: It will require a jig and a device plugged into USB exactly once per boot
- Coldboot: It starts up before the Nintendo operating system (Horizon) does and takes total control of the system

THIS WORKS FOR ALL FIRMWARES.

What some people - including me - are hoping for is untethered coldboot functionality. While this may be possible, no way of achieving this has been released at this point. The guys over at ReSwitched have a few private vulnerabilities at their disposal, those are kept private to have something that works when Mariko releases, since Mariko will be immune against the FG exploit we use right now. These appear to be warmboot exploits though.

Now to differentiate coldboot from warmboot: Warmboot means that the Horizon OS is already running and a vulnerability in the system is exploited in order to inject ones own code into it and get it running. This is what PegaSwitch is, for example.

 

[scary_dog]

What some people - including me - are hoping for is untethered coldboot functionality. While this may be possible, no way of achieving this has been released at this point. The guys over at ReSwitched have a few private vulnerabilities at their disposal, those are kept private to have something that works when Mariko releases, since Mariko will be immune against the FG exploit we use right now. These appear to be warmboot exploits though.

Thanks for clearing that up.. so the best thing would be unthethered coldboot option. Which may happen eventually..

 

[tinkle]

TX is an untethered, coldboot, exploit. You can discover this by exercising your reading comprehension, and not being a racist twat and assuming that "it must just be the description is in chingrish because muh open sores cant do that."

 

[sarkwalvein]

TX is an untethered, coldboot, exploit. You can discover this by exercising your reading comprehension, and not being a racist twat and assuming that "it must just be the description is in chingrish because muh open sores cant do that."

You should improve your reading skills. Specially reading between lines. Otherwise you'll be tricked often.

They are saying you need to "install the OS with a tool only once". By "installing the OS" I'm willing to believe they mean "validate your key and link the OS with your specific console ID", for this you will even need to be connected to the internet.
Notice they never said you won't have to resend the exploit every time you reboot. They only said "install the OS once", which meaning I analysed above.

 

[mnemonicpunk]

You should improve your reading skills. Specially reading between lines. Otherwise you'll be tricked often.

They are saying you need to "install the OS with a tool only once". By "installing the OS" I'm willing to believe they mean "validate your key and link the OS with your specific console ID", for this you will even need to be connected to the internet.
Notice they never said you won't have to resend the exploit every time you reboot. They only said "install the OS once", which meaning I analysed above.

That is exactly the language ambiguity I assume they are relying on. Thanks for phrasing it so succinctly.

 

[tinkle]

You should improve your reading skills. Specially reading between lines. Otherwise you'll be tricked often.

They are saying you need to "install the OS with a tool only once". By "installing the OS" I'm willing to believe they mean "validate your key and link the OS with your specific console ID", for this you will even need to be connected to the internet.
Notice they never said you won't have to resend the exploit every time you reboot. They only said "install the OS once", which meaning I analysed above.

Occam's razor, hunny: Whats more likely, that theres this big conspiracy to mislead people from a trusted company older than most people in this scene, or that they're a for profit entity who happens to have the resources to hire frankly more capable people? Use your head.

 

[trOublie]

Every thread here seems to turn into "I know more than you, you know nothing, this is incorrect the correct is" based merely on speculation only. This is getting boring.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Occam's razor, hunny: Whats more likely, that theres this big conspiracy to mislead people from a trusted company older than most people in this scene, or that they're a for profit entity who happens to have the resources to hire frankly more capable people? Use your head.

When they want you to pre-order ASAP so that they can get back the money they spent on R&D for a CFW solution that might be obsolete in the following weeks... well, I think the most probable is they are intentionally giving partial information.

 

[mnemonicpunk]

Occam's razor, hunny: Whats more likely, that theres this big conspiracy to mislead people from a trusted company older than most people in this scene, or that they're a for profit entity who happens to have the resources to hire frankly more capable people? Use your head.

Careful you don't cut yourself on that razor:
What is more likely:
- That someone happens to have found a completely different vulnerability that just happens to look exactly like what is already out there, released on video just days after that method became public without providing any video proof of the advertised features

or

- That someone wants to make money by making a publically available method of running homebrew a teeny little bit easier to run while promising features that they know everyone wants

You choose what you want. I choose logic.

 

[MHDestination]

Occam's razor, hunny: Whats more likely, that theres this big conspiracy to mislead people from a trusted company older than most people in this scene, or that they're a for profit entity who happens to have the resources to hire frankly more capable people? Use your head.

An untethered boot would be an advantage over Atmosphere. That would boost sales/preorders.

Question:
Why don't they show that in their video???
There's absolutely no reason to hide it.

The only point you're refering to is an incomplete hint in their product description.

So... why don't you use YOUR head and stop bitching around?

WE ALL should wait for release.

 

[Thatcher]

Let's assume that the TX video demonstrating the product is to increase sales & overall interest. If that's the case why wouldn't they have shown a coldboot working? Isn't that one of the *vague* features listed?

I'm not going to give a penny to TX until all the cards are out on the table and we know the facts. The important factor for me is being able to boot into CFW on the move so TX is the better option so far.