I know I said it only a few posts ago, but get my point. It's one of those things that there are no set definitions for and yet people tend to say what they are all of the time. In Japan, things that are considered anime are, well, anime. Same for cartoons here. Now, I can't say anything factually, but I'm pretty sure there's a definition in Japan that doesn't apply to the English language, likely vice versa for cartoons in Japan. So really, whether we call anime "cartoons" and vice versa (in Japan) would technically be wrong, but since there's no right the wrong is slightly void so there's no truth, and from there you can basically go off of what riposte said on post #164. Well, not until anime gets a definition, at least.KazoWAR said:Anime are cartoons, its more like a genre for cartoons in western countries I guess, but in japan, Dragonball Z and Sponge Bob Square Pants are both anime.
QUOTEI don't know how one can really assert what an anime is in comparison to cartoons due to the fact that there is no set definition for "anime" in the dictionary.
klim28 said:I don't know why they make a big deal out of it.
There are 2 reasons for 2 different types of fans:
1. Being my case, is this:
Because that's the obvious implication; that using the word "cartoon" is somehow demeaning, and must be avoided at all costs.riposte said:Now that I've had a month to think about this topic, I have to say that I've seen and understood the "differences" people have listed from the start. However, I don't think those "differences" are really enough to consider cartoons and anime separate entities.
It's merely a cultural thing. Not in cultural thing in the sense of American vs. Japanese, but a cultural thing in the sense that people who are really into anime are going to have a stronger feeling that there is some inherent difference between the two while those who couldn't care less see some form of animation and consider it a cartoon.
Poor analogy:
Boxing vs. Kickboxing
"So you're a boxer?"
"No, I'm a kickboxer..."
"So then you box and you're allowed to kick?"
"Boxing and kickboxing are two separate sports..."
"I understand that boxing and kickboxing operate under different sanctioning bodies...but you're both essentially striking and counter-striking, right?"
"But we can throw punches AND kicks. Boxers can only throw punches..."
"I heard you the first time... So you're saying that you box and that kicks are allowed in your boxing matches?"
"We don't have boxing matches...we have KICKboxing matches... They are different."
"I give up."
2. Being the bandwagoner and very shallow way of thought is this:
QUOTE(Gahars @ Sep 11 2011, 01:55 PM)
People do often think that, but then there are cartoons like Family Guy, South Park, and heck, Avatar.DroRox said:People who love anime just hate when it's called cartoons because cartoons resemble something childish.
But then what do you consider shows like Azumanga Daioh, Crayon Shin-Chan, and...Pokemon? Cartoons?darkangel5000 said:Even though there are few exceptions, in my opinion anime have a deeper story than cartoons. Also, they're most likely not your average never-ending/ending without a real finale-Nicktoons.
Yeah, sure, on the one hand you've got batman and the likes, but then again most likely stuff like catdog or spongebob squarepants. So if one refers to an anime, I think it's the story-value that counts. That's the reason why I'd call Avatar - The last airbender an anime and PreCure not.
Actually yes. Especially Crayon Shin-Chan.machomuu said:But then what do you consider shows like Azumanga Daioh, Crayon Shin-Chan, and...Pokemon? Cartoons?
I said that about a few pages back, it's not going to end on a good note, even after Densetsu and Old8oy made posts that should have been debate-enders.Vulpes Abnocto said:Thirteen pages in and people are still going back and forth about this?
I'm beginning to think that we might all have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
ShadowSoldier said:Gahars said:ShadowSoldier said:Gahars said:ShadowSoldier said:Gahars said:Seriously, I hate it when people use that definition, because there's really no truth to it. They are still both cartoons; calling either one a "cartoon" doesn't mean it's somehow inferior.
I'm going to keep using that definition. And who said anything about it being inferior?
Because that's the obvious implication; that using the word "cartoon" is somehow demeaning, and must be avoided at all costs.
Saying, "They're not cartoons, they're anime!" just comes off as pretentious and elitist.
Wow. Cartoon isn't demeaning at all. Umm, hello, ACME cartoons. Anything but bad. It's different art styles. Like I said, every Anime I've watched, has one big story. Fullmetal Alchemist, Dragonball Z (I find it has a better continuous story than Dragonball), Chobits just to name a few. And I compare them to what I see on TV, The Simpsons and all the other shows I listed don't have a continuous story. They make references sure, but it's not part of a story.
Hence the term implication; it's the message people send when they argue that eastern animation isn't in the same category as "cartoons".
And it seems like you're just stereotyping animation from two different regions based off of an incorrect assumption; not every piece of eastern animation is DBZ, Chobits, or Fullmetal Alchemist, and all American animation is not the Simpsons.
And going by style, that's like saying a novel written with sparse description and a novel written with purple prose are somehow not both novels, but belong in entirely different categorizations. Animation is the same way; different regions may animate with different styles, but in the end, they are both still animation, which makes them cartoons.
Cool story bro, my opinion still stands.
I never said that. I said that having the title of a cartoon imply that something is childish is shallow. I thought I was on your side there, but apparently not.Gahars said:And Machomuu, that's not a "shallow train of thought". Trying to create a distinction between "anime" and "cartoons" when none exists. When you say crap like that, even if you aren't pretentious or elitist, that's how you sound. Deal with it.
machomuu said:I never said that. I said that having the title of a cartoon imply that something is childish is shallow. I thought I was on your side there, but apparently not.Gahars said:And Machomuu, that's not a "shallow train of thought". Trying to create a distinction between "anime" and "cartoons" when none exists. When you say crap like that, even if you aren't pretentious or elitist, that's how you sound. Deal with it.
Even if not, don't know how that makes me sound elitist in the slightest. Or pretentious.
I tried, riposte doesn't want it ended. That is why he left it open after all.KirbyBoy said:Can we just end this.