About to get a 212 EVO from Microcenter0

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  1. Thanatos Telos
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    Just got a few questions:
    Will it fit in this system?
    How do I apply the paste correctly?
    A nice OC guide? for either AMD Overdrive or for the Bios?
    Do I have to remove the old paste? If so, how?
    How does RAM relate to OCing?
    Will the new cooler be quieter than stock?
    Are there any better coolers for the price?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    The link leads nowhere (about:blank on Chrome).
     
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    Fixed. Sorry.
     
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    212 Evo is compatible with AM3+ so for all intents and purposes, it should fit just fine as long as the case or other components don't get in the way.

    You should remove the old paste with some dry cloth, then polish the surface with a cloth damp in high-volume alcohol (preferably spirit) to get the rest off the surface of the CPU.

    There are many ways of applying paste "correctly", I recommend putting a small dab of paste on the center of the chip, spreading an even layer of it on the surface of the chip with a credit card or a similar piece of plastic and then applying the radiator (make sure there are no air bubbles!) - there are many instructables available on Youtube showing how it's done.

    As far as OC is concerned, it's really hit-and-miss - I personally treat "15-20% clock increase" as the safe threshold - anything beyond that requires fiddling around with voltages to improve stability.

    RAM relates to overclocking in a very simple way - memory modules work at a pace set by the system clock - increasing the clockspeed increases the speed at which the memory bus works, however most motherboards allow you to adjust that as well in a separate BIOS menu.

    The new cooler may or may not be quieter than the stock one you have - depends on the fan you put on it. To be sure, compare dB values of the fans.

    As for "better coolers for the price", that's a very relative term - you'll have to google for comaprisons.
     
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    Your link is very broken but I guess http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1G71M/by_merchant/ is the thing in question. First why do you have a 5900RPM hard drive in what looks to be aiming at a performance machine? You can get an entry level, but otherwise very nice, SSD for the money. About the only use these days for a 5900rpm drive in a performance system is if I need to copy something onto from a dying system -- I would not use it as scratch space, I would not use it as normal storage and certainly would not store games, the OS or something similar on it.

    Anyway the cooler
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-120mm/dp/B0068OI7T8 says 13 x 10 x 18 cm

    Your case says "Dimensions (L x W x D) 19.10" x 8.00" x 16.80""

    That is just over 20cm so I anticipate a very tight fit and I could see it not fitting.

    How to apply paste, clean the surface of the chip and the heatsink (something that will not leave a residue and with an item that will not do that either, put a blob on the size of a couple of grains of rice and smooth it over with a razor blade. Put the heatsink on and attach it however it says to attach it (if it offers no advice then do one screw/clip and then do the diagonal of it, then finish). The heatsink may come with pre applied paste that you can remove or you can use.

    By all means overclock your graphics card as you can get a bit out of there. Why overclock a new CPU in 2013? I had a quick look and yeah it produces some boosts you might even be able to tell apart at the higher ends but nothing close to overclocking back when or even back on the likes of core2 machines. As you asked though http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-piledriver-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboard# does not appear to suggest anything too outrageous or ignore too much science/good sense. Personally if I am going to overclock I like to leave the speedstep stuff on when all is said and done which appears to be something the OC set are loathe to do.

    I already took old paste stuff. Still a cloth and some form of solvent that will not leave a residue (pure acetone like some nail polish remover works well enough) and evaporate readily. I tend to have an interesting chemical stockpile anyway so I am not sure what advice I can really offer here.

    RAM. Varies depending upon when you are doing it as motherboard design changes a tiny bit.
    Generally you have four concerns.
    Ram frequency
    Ram timings
    Voltages
    How they relate to the rest of the system.
    Ram is rated to run at a given frequency (or less than that). The site reckons that speed in this case is 12800 Hz in this case.
    Timings are largely pointless but to cover them anyway though I said 12800 it does not mean one operation (read, write, read after a write) per cycle and some chips can do more for the same amount of cycles. At least in theory, in practice it is fairly pointless as far as most tests have ever demonstrated. Where they might come up is if you want to increase the speed but drop the timings to allow for slightly more speed.
    Voltages. It will be rated to run at a given voltage, you can increase this at the cost of increased amounts of heat needing dissipation and probably a lessened lifetime. However this helps with stability if you want to overclock it a bit. Likewise you could always try backing off a bit for some types of overclocking if the RAM voltage is messing with your CPU voltage, at this point though I would say call it a day and put it back to the last stable configuration, either way though that brings us nicely onto the "how it relates back" thing
    How it relates gets odd. Back in the day the speed you ran your frontside bus at determined in part how fast your CPU ran (the other part being the multiplier) and also the RAM with it. Not sure when but in consumer world around the core2 era we got unlinked options which meant you could run the RAM at one clock and the CPU at another at some theoretical potential loss for not being quite synced but you could then push one or the other as far as you liked and be left with a stable system, today it seems unlinked is not quite the order of the day but you can still raise different ones at different levels.

    I can not say I have really dealt with modern AMD stock coolers, such things are usually an exercise in "get it to work well enough for the consumers and no more" though I am happy enough to use them which is more than can be said for a lot of older ones. Quieter depends upon several things including the frequency it runs at (some people are more sensitive, or at least claim they are more sensitive, to higher pitched noises, some people want to hear a gnat fart when their machine is on) and how you set it up (target temperatures and whatever else). Most of the reviews reckon it is quiet though.

    Better. Do you want quieter, more reliability (your chosen fan and for that matter the stock one will probably last until long after your computer has ceased to be useful unless you smoke around your PC), more cooling, more LEDs and fins to show off to cretins....? I have a great dislike of lot of consumer computer cooling companies and view a lot of what they do in the same way a chemist views shampoo commercials, skin cream commercials and much of the organic food movement. To answer the question you may be able to find a slightly quieter one or a better cooling one for similar money but I doubt there will be a "oh this is better in every way" one out there somewhere.

    Anyway I am now at risk of going full grumpy old man on you all so I will stop it here.
     
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    212 EVO will definitely be better than stock cooler, though if you intend to overclock a lot I look for an even better cooler. Both AMD and Intel ship basic aluminum stock cooler that does the job of keeping CPU from overheating but that's about it. If you have the money always replace stock cooler.
     
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    I went to microcenter to get HYPER 212 EVO it's really awesome! Overclocked 2500k to 4.2GHz.
     
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    Well, picked it up. Any good guides for applying the thermal paste?
     
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    Just apply a pea sized size amount on cpu and let the heatsink spread it.
     
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    That's now the standard way of applying a thermal compound and which works good.
    But nowadays liquid thermal compounds like CLU come with a small brush to evenly spread the compound over.
    http://www.coollaboratory.com/en/products/liquid-ultra/
     
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    May I ask where the big difference is in non write intensive applications?
     
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    RPM is not just about writing, indeed aside from caching, head arrangements and hybrid stuff skewing things in some cases it is probably the dominant characteristic in drive performance and in random read scenarios (which is to say a lot of programs, database and general OS type usage) it only gets worse. Granted there is a "you can not just compare megahertz" kind of thing but it is broad enough that I would use it alone to call it for drives of a similar vintage. I may have been a bit hasty on dismissing it for storage and I would store already made videos, music, documents and such things but I still hold they do not have much place in a performance machine, especially if you are not inclined to enforce data type discipline with them. They have a place in many things and I would have one plod along in a NAS, if it was aimed at it (designed for 24/7 operation and such like) for a security system/constant basic write video affair, if there were noise concerns, if there were heat concerns and other such things but not a performance system.
     
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    Generally speaking the spreading/brushing method will always caused some TIM to spread outside when you slap the cooler on top of it.

    My method is a tiny drop then put the cooler on top. If done correctly it should not cover the entire heat spreader. This is fine as the die itself is much smaller than the heat spreader.
     
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    Spreading before applying the heatsink would cause air bubbles.
     
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    Okay, got it running at slightly lower temps now, but it's much quieter now. Will update with pics.
     
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    what method did you use for thermal paste?
     
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    What is said is quite true, but not for those CLU/CLP products.
    They are advertised as 100% liquid metal and if you have taken a look in the video, they consistency of the compounds do differ.
    Not that I recommend using a brush/CC to spread the thermal compound, I was just stating some 'other' methods except from the most common pea sized in the centre ( which actually words ).

    @OP You can mess in the BIOS to OC but here http://wolframpc.blogspot.in/2012/01/guide-to-overclocking-part-2.html
     
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    Small p in the center and spread.
     
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    spread with what?
     
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    The heatsink, of course. Just lower it dead center and done.