Homebrew Question 3DS emulation on Switch

[Deleted User]

Think everyone is forgetting that most emulators for the switch at the moment are using only interpreter, not jit or a recompiler. (or is wip recompiler) I personally believe the switch should be able to run 3ds games no problem, but I think both the emulation on the switch side, along with the citra emulator itself still needs to be optimized. It's not crazy to ask that, it is crazy however to ask for xbone, xbox 360 and ps3 or ps4 emulation. Highly doubt that would ever exist.

 

[comput3rus3r]

just buy a 3ds. they're well worth it.

 

[orangpelupa]

In most aspects it’s somewhere in between N64 and Gamecube

It might be similar-ish to aarch32 mode (I know aarch32 mode allows for full armv7 backwards compatibility, but the 3ds’ main CPU is armv6 iirc, dunno how different that is), dunno. But there’s more shit to deal with than just the CPU

yeah, 3DS GPU also obscure "pica 2k"

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just buy a 3ds. they're well worth it.

can someone make car analogy to illustrate how irrelevant that reasoning is?

 

[Fusion]

You are forgetting that it's NOT possible. If it were possible, Citra would be running full speed on android devices already, and it is not, and it never will.

And you also are forgetting my friend, that Citra is not even officially ON Android yet, that is unofficial (and untrustworthy imo personally, even citra team said to AVOID for now) which hasn't had any extra work put into it other then port as an emulator, since it's using x86 code. I'm talking about basically a translation of 3ds arm to Switch arm code partly for the CPU, the rest will still need emulation obviously.

 

[Techjunky90]

And you also are forgetting my friend, that Citra is not even officially ON Android yet, that is unofficial (and untrustworthy imo personally, even citra team said to AVOID for now) which hasn't had any extra work put into it other then port as an emulator, since it's using x86 code. I'm talking about basically a translation of 3ds arm to Switch arm code partly for the CPU, the rest will still need emulation obviously.

If it were that simple, Citra would be running on smart phones and tablets, but it's not that simple & that's why developers haven't bothered

 

[nastys]

If it were that simple, Citra would be running on smart phones and tablets, but it's not that simple & that's why developers haven't bothered

They haven't bothered because it's easier to develop on x86_64. There aren't even "stable" builds available yet, and of course Citra on PC has a higher priority than a potential Android port.

 

[AshenWolf]

Maybe next time ask when will a PS4/XBOX ONE emulator for the Switch will be coming out. That would be a nice thing to have. Forgetting N64 and GCN are a thing. Both running at full speeds for every game is a step 1 before anything else. GBATEMP is already filled with questions that have to do something with "when is the Wii, PS1, PSP, PS VITA, and sorts of shit coming out for Switch homebrew?". I get it that you are free to post what you want but we dont need more duplicates swimming around the site

You're overreacting.

 

[hallo23]

Think everyone is forgetting that most emulators for the switch at the moment are using only interpreter, not jit or a recompiler. (or is wip recompiler)

What is the reason for that?
Do they just don't have access to that yet or are they still trying to figure out how the switch works entirely?

 

[Deleted User]

What is the reason for that?
Do they just don't have access to that yet or are they still trying to figure out how the switch works entirely?

The switch hacking scene is still relatively in it's infancy. So it's not that they haven't figured it out, but more either lack of intrest to develop a recompiler, or some important requirements are not met and said requirments are being developed on. Such as having opengl drivers (which was met a while back. But before that emulators only ran in lakka, which was running linux. And I'm using this as as example)

 

[AshenWolf]

Based on your posts, can I safely assume that switch's hardware can do it? Its just that there are too many hurdles right now on the software side.

 

[FanNintendo]

Switch Pro coming this summer possible have 3DS core

 

[Techjunky90]

Switch Pro coming this summer possible have 3DS core

False.

 

[ZachyCatGames]

False.

If a 3ds Retroarch core is practical on the current model, why wouldn’t it be practical on a more powerful model (If someone somehow manages to hack it)

 

[Techjunky90]

If a 3ds Retroarch core is practical on the current model, why wouldn’t it be practical on a more powerful model (If someone somehow manages to hack it)

There is absolutely zero proof of a more powerful switch. All that is known is that Nintendo are doing a revision. Given that the switch is a hybrid, there's a chance Nintendo will release a newer better version, like they did with portables such as ds & 3ds. There's also the possibility that Nintendo does not release a better version, like how they didn't release a newer better N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U. In reality there is no reason for Nintendo to release a more powerful switch, reason being, Nintendo is not in competition with Sony or Microsoft. It makes sense to do a revision, just to get rid of that exploitable chipset, but that's it. Personally, I can see Nintendo copying Sony & releasing Nintendo TV, a switch built into a dock, no battery, no screen etc. would lower the price drastically.

 

[ZachyCatGames]

There is absolutely zero proof of a more powerful switch. All that is known is that Nintendo are doing a revision. Given that the switch is a hybrid, there's a chance Nintendo will release a newer better version, like they did with portables such as ds & 3ds. There's also the possibility that Nintendo does not release a better version, like how they didn't release a newer better N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U. In reality there is no reason for Nintendo to release a more powerful switch, reason being, Nintendo is not in competition with Sony or Microsoft. It makes sense to do a revision, just to get rid of that exploitable chipset, but that's it. Personally, I can see Nintendo copying Sony & releasing Nintendo TV, a switch built into a dock, no battery, no screen etc. would lower the price drastically.

Oh, you meant that there may not be a Switch Pro. I misunderstood, my bad

 

[TheDreamLord]

And you also are forgetting my friend, that Citra is not even officially ON Android yet, that is unofficial (and untrustworthy imo personally, even citra team said to AVOID for now) which hasn't had any extra work put into it other then port as an emulator, since it's using x86 code. I'm talking about basically a translation of 3ds arm to Switch arm code partly for the CPU, the rest will still need emulation obviously.

https://community.citra-emu.org/t/pokemon-x-not-working-only-showing-white-screen-on-android/60611

Where have they said to avoid it? All they've said is that it's unofficial but are working with that developer. If they were untrustworthy, why would the Citra team be working with them?

 

[Csmrcc]

There is absolutely zero proof of a more powerful switch. All that is known is that Nintendo are doing a revision. Given that the switch is a hybrid, there's a chance Nintendo will release a newer better version, like they did with portables such as ds & 3ds. There's also the possibility that Nintendo does not release a better version, like how they didn't release a newer better N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U. In reality there is no reason for Nintendo to release a more powerful switch, reason being, Nintendo is not in competition with Sony or Microsoft. It makes sense to do a revision, just to get rid of that exploitable chipset, but that's it. Personally, I can see Nintendo copying Sony & releasing Nintendo TV, a switch built into a dock, no battery, no screen etc. would lower the price drastically.

Hum, i think they are gonna make a less powered switch, only portable, no hd vibration etc, so they can take the price low, like to cover the 3ds level.
Nintendo knows his point is the portable market, hybrid or just portable. Competing again with the same against ps4 and Xbox doesnt have any sense.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

I'd say it's likely to happen eventually, but it took a while for 3DS games to become playable on PC, so it's not likely to happen on Switch for a while as there is no good 3DS emulator for ARM.

 

[Rahkeesh]

There's zero "proof" of revisions either, just evidence.

We do have one point of evidence of an enhanced performance switch, the Samurai Spirits presentation that specifically referenced supporting it. Also at least modest improvements seem like a no-brainer if they are moving off of 20 nm given how underclocked the X1 is.

Not that I expect it to make much difference to 3DS emulation either way.

 

[ZachyCatGames]

There's zero "proof" of revisions either, just evidence.

We do have one point of evidence of an enhanced performance switch, the Samurai Spirits presentation that specifically referenced supporting it. Also at least modest improvements seem like a no-brainer if they are moving off of 20 nm given how underclocked the X1 is.

Not that I expect it to make much difference to 3DS emulation either way.

Mariko exist, but it appears to just be a more secure and slightly improved version of what we currently have, it’ll still be a “revision” though