Hacking 3DS 5.0 Question - Code Execution

[dehry]

Lol, even IF they were done documenting, Homebrew is a long way off. People need libs to interface with the 3ds in the code people would eventually write. Id love to see someone prove me wrong, but I dont think 2 people could do that in a month or even half a year. But, they aren't done documenting, so be patient. There always seems to be a lack of patience on this forum...

It's hard for people to get the concept of security on a game system because they did such a poor job at security in the early 2000s when the previous generation of consoles were designed. I have a feeling that the PS4 and next Xbox revision will be just as locked down

 

[ShadowSora13]

Hmm, so hold off updating until further confirmation.



You're probably right. I mean, they've had plenty of time now, haven't they? It's not like these guys have actual lives beyond hacking and documenting the 3DS; a few hundred functions can't take very long to reverse engineer and document. You'd have had it done by now, right?



He said they never intended on publicly releasing a hack that utilised those vulnerabilities. They intend to publicly release something when they have something that works well, can be properly distributed and has virtually no chance of minimising the functionality of your console to one sole use: a paperweight.

You seriously believe that only Neimod And yellows8 works on this....? ok whatever and also i said done documenting not making the toolchain.

 

[McHaggis]

You seriously believe that only Neimod And yellows8 works on this....?

Wait, where did I say that? Even though I didn't say that, there's a lot of truth to it. Yes, there are others working behind the scenes, but nothing compares to the amount of work Neimod and Yellows8 have put in on 3DBrew.

ok whatever and also i said done documenting not making the toolchain.

You're totally right they must be dragging it out to troll everyone. Either that or they're just not done yet. So, if you think it's so easy, take a look on 3dbrew.org and fill in all the missing Services API functions, add some extra detail to the pages kernel objects and start work on the toolchain. Oh, that's right, you don't have a clue how to do any of that and have no right to say how long it should take and when the people actually working on it should be finished.

 

[Syphurith]

Wait, where did I say that? Even though I didn't say that, there's a lot of truth to it. Yes, there are others working behind the scenes, but nothing compares to the amount of work Neimod and Yellows8 have put in on 3DBrew.

ok whatever and also i said done documenting not making the toolchain.

You're totally right they must be dragging it out to troll everyone. Either that or they're just not done yet. So, if you think it's so easy, take a look on 3dbrew.org and fill in all the missing Services API functions, add some extra detail to the pages kernel objects and start work on the toolchain. Oh, that's right, you don't have a clue how to do any of that and have no right to say how long it should take and when the people actually working on it should be finished.

You're right McHaggis. There is always somebody thinking things easy.
Well, then. Do you know how can one help finger out those API or Objects (I mean by what a way)? I'm now tired of checking the Ninty network (without many results) and file structure (due to lacking of materials). If you know there is a way can you tell me (if there is something too much related to devs and not open for public, PM me please)? (if that just can not be shared that's ok)

 

[ShadowSora13]

Wait, where did I say that? Even though I didn't say that, there's a lot of truth to it. Yes, there are others working behind the scenes, but nothing compares to the amount of work Neimod and Yellows8 have put in on 3DBrew.


You're totally right they must be dragging it out to troll everyone. Either that or they're just not done yet. So, if you think it's so easy, take a look on 3dbrew.org and fill in all the missing Services API functions, add some extra detail to the pages kernel objects and start work on the toolchain. Oh, that's right, you don't have a clue how to do any of that and have no right to say how long it should take and when the people actually working on it should be finished.

Yes i am clueless its exactly as you say ,Though someday you will ask yourself if this guy back then was clueless....

 

[McHaggis]

You're right McHaggis. There is always somebody thinking things easy.
Well, then. Do you know how can one help finger out those API or Objects (I mean by what a way)? I'm now tired of checking the Ninty network (without many results) and file structure (due to lacking of materials). If you know there is a way can you tell me (if there is something too much related to devs and not open for public, PM me please)? (if that just can not be shared that's ok)

Well, I'm not involved with the hackers documenting the 3DS's functions, but they're mapping these APIs by reverse engineering them from unencrypted RAM dumps. If you really think you can help, your best bet would be to hang around the IRC channel, #3dsdev on efnet, and asking for some RAM dumps to analyse. I'm not sure you'd get any without proving your worth, but you're better off asking how you can help there rather than on here.

 

[chyyran]

Well, I'm not involved with the hackers documenting the 3DS's functions, but they're mapping these APIs by reverse engineering them from unencrypted RAM dumps. If you really think you can help, your best bet would be to hang around the IRC channel, #3dsdev on efnet, and asking for some RAM dumps to analyse. I'm not sure you'd get any without proving your worth, but you're better off asking how you can help there rather than on here.

If he needs to ask how to get the dumps, he wouldn't be able to help anyways.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

I'm not a hacker, neither I have advanced coding skills, but it is clear to me that the vulnerabilities are not the main problem anymore for hacking 3DS, so, if Nintendo closed some gaps this will not delay the 3DS hacking...

 

[Thorhian]

I'm not a hacker, neither I have advanced coding skills, but it is clear to me that the vulnerabilities are not the main problem anymore for hacking 3DS, so, if Nintendo closed some gaps this will not delay the 3DS hacking...

Well, it does pose a bit of a problem I the fact that on newer Firmwares we can't get kernel access, a new exploit is needed to be paired with the save game exploit. The Save exploit is also pretty flimsy. This can get in the way of documenting new 3DS firmwares and features.

 

[WiiUBricker]

The update made the 3DS a bit faster as well as the Nintendo eShop font were altered a bit.

 

[Seratonin]

Would this be considered bad news?
"The system does not delete/block 3DS savegame haxx at all with this update, however the code execution haxx used by this was fixed."

Source: http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/5.0.0-11

 

[SifJar]

Would this be considered bad news?
"The system does not delete/block 3DS savegame haxx at all with this update, however the code execution haxx used by this was fixed."

Source: http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/5.0.0-11

It would be considered a cloud with a silver lining. The "silver lining" being that the savegame exploit hasn't received any attempt at a fix from Nintendo, the "cloud" being that the code exec exploit (the second exploit, used to allow the hackers to actually load custom code) has been fixed. The "cloud" was already common knowledge since the day of the update, this "silver lining" is new to me.

 

[The Milkman]

Lol, even IF they were done documenting, Homebrew is a long way off. People need libs to interface with the 3ds in the code people would eventually write. Id love to see someone prove me wrong, but I dont think 2 people could do that in a month or even half a year. But, they aren't done documenting, so be patient. There always seems to be a lack of patience on this forum...

See it this way guy, our hacking forum is special because majority of its posters are those who are looking to reap the seeds sowed by the hackers. Hell, even I kinda want 3DS hacks now.

 

[reaper527]

It would be considered a cloud with a silver lining. The "silver lining" being that the savegame exploit hasn't received any attempt at a fix from Nintendo, the "cloud" being that the code exec exploit (the second exploit, used to allow the hackers to actually load custom code) has been fixed. The "cloud" was already common knowledge since the day of the update, this "silver lining" is new to me.

and an even bigger lining is that so many people know the exploit is coming, that we had a chance to avoid this update. i know i'm not updating anything until the exploit is released.

 

[Thorhian]

See it this way guy, our hacking forum is special because majority of its posters are those who are looking to reap the seeds sowed by the hackers. Hell, even I kinda want 3DS hacks now.

I wouldn't mind it either, but I'm pretty sure the impatience around here is getting ut of hand sometimes, especially since some posters here don't even know the difficulty of the task at hand. Leeches sometimes can kill living things sometimes, if you get the comparison

and an even bigger lining is that so many people know the exploit is coming, that we had a chance to avoid this update. i know i'm not updating anything until the exploit is released.

It's coming, Lol? If you've looked around a bit, Yellows8 doesn't seem to be planning on releasing this exploit (or at least anytime with in the reasonable future). I won't be updating too, but I will update when a new exploit is found. The exploit right now to be released would be a last ditch effort, a last resort. I hope you get the scope of this.

 

[Seratonin]

I wouldn't mind it either, but I'm pretty sure the impatience around here is getting ut of hand sometimes, especially since some posters here don't even know the difficulty of the task at hand. Leeches sometimes can kill living things sometimes, if you get the comparison



It's coming, Lol? If you've looked around a bit, Yellows8 doesn't seem to be planning on releasing this exploit (or at least anytime with in the reasonable future). I won't be updating too, but I will update when a new exploit is found. The exploit right now to be released would be a last ditch effort, a last resort. I hope you get the scope of this.

Are you saying that we should avoid 5.0? I was thinking about selling my 3DS for the pikachu 3DS XL.

 

[The Milkman]

I wouldn't mind it either, but I'm pretty sure the impatience around here is getting ut of hand sometimes, especially since some posters here don't even know the difficulty of the task at hand. Leeches sometimes can kill living things sometimes, if you get the comparison



It's coming, Lol? If you've looked around a bit, Yellows8 doesn't seem to be planning on releasing this exploit (or at least anytime with in the reasonable future). I won't be updating too, but I will update when a new exploit is found. The exploit right now to be released would be a last ditch effort, a last resort. I hope you get the scope of this.

Oh yeah I agree that people are rushing the process quite a bit.

 

[Thorhian]

Are you saying that we should avoid 5.0? I was thinking about selling my 3DS for the pikachu 3DS XL.

Maybe, depending on how bad the scene gets. For me, I plan on staying away from updates for a little while to be safe.