Am I better off to buy an already modded Xbox 360 if I don't want to solder my device?

Am I better off to buy an already modded Xbox 360 if I don't want to solder my device?

TastifulBurger
Oct 14, 2019
See title.
If yes, what is the best model to look for and are there other details I should pay attention towards?
I'm used to softmodding my other devices and RSG scares me.

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  • FAST6191
    Oct 15, 2019
    Two main classes of mod, ignoring the mostly does nothing demo bypasses, the pointless profile mods, handful of PIRS, disc swapping mods and whatever still remains of LIVE2CON.

    1) DVD mod.
    2) JTAG/SMC/RGH family. I assume RSG is supposed to be reset glitch but nobody uses that term that I have seen.

    There are two main classes of xbox 360 really. The original family (usually white) aka fat 360 aka phat 360 and the 360 slim (usually black, tiny eject button on the top left rather than next to the drive, big fan on the "top").
    Each of those has multiple motherboard and DVD revisions. For the original form factor I would not settle for anything less than a Jasper motherboard right now (you can tell externally by looking at the power connector, preferably motherboard side as power bricks will go from old to new, also if it lacks HDMI then run away). Take any slim you like. Slims also have wireless built in if you care about such things -- I go with wired network every time really as it is faster.

    DVD mods will allow you to load copied DVDs that are region compatible (region locking was optional and... odd), depending upon the game you may need or benefit from a special burner as there was a custom format released later in the 360 life that needed it but it should be easy enough to sort at least the soft launched burner there. There are some exclusives to all regions that may or may not be of interest here, and even then the region locking is still active for those old titles (with the exception of Japanese shmups most such locking was probably a means to lessen imports but that matters little as far as end results here -- http://www.abgx.net/filename/?ch=6 and http://abgx360.cc/verified.php should give you some idea of what is out there and what goes). No modded games, no homebrew, no XBLA (you can load them as demos), no USB loading, no hard drive loading unless you have games on demand (GOD games), controller remapping without slicing up a controller, only hard drives blessed by microsoft or those few models that will take the keys and work... You can however go online (you did see bans back in the day but today it seems pretty clear).
    Difficulty of 1) varies between models and in some cases firmware updates. There are also means of emulating the DVD drive and redirecting things to USB but I doubt you will find one of them (they were common enough but those that know what they are usually seek them out).
    Same restrictions for the DVD emulators aka optical drive emulators or optical disc drive emulators aka ODES or ODDEs but they can have their own USB drive attached to do it. You some will have a selector you use, others made use of the picture viewer on the 360 to have a bunch of boxart there which you could view and by extension select as it knew what was read.
    In any case I like to make sure you have the DVD key with the device just in case you need it. If it is reasonably high firmware now you should be OK as I doubt we will see any updates mess with things but the paranoia is there for me. There might still be banned DVD modded 360s out there if you do care about online. Do note you can download and install updates manually if you want.

    2) then Ignoring king kong which most people probably converted to JTAG there is JTAG and RGH. JTAG was a simpler older mod that was blocked out in later firmwares (no way to go back really) and only applies to old style 360s. All those restrictions above about homebrew, mods, region... are gone here but you will not be able to easily get online. SMC is a term some hackers prefer for this but everybody understands JTAG.
    RGH was a later mod with much the same restriction easing. It required some actual chips as opposed to the contents of any solderers junk box. Online is still hard in hacked mode (we don't generally help people do it and it is expensive) but you can have a secondary NAND aka dual NAND and go online with the clean one if you so desired, though this is an additional mod over the standard RGH install. RGH often takes longer to boot but not unreasonably so, obviously there are differences in requirements between various revisions and firmwares and when things happened but if it is prebaked then who cares. Again though for an old style/fat/phat then nothing other than Jasper motherboard here. Prebaked slim then whatever, some later chip revisions might be a bit more stable but nothing should be unusable.

    A JTAG/RGH mod does not inherently allow you to play copied DVDs by the way. It will allow you to dump keys for the DVD (often the more annoying part of the DVD mod) and in some cases flash the drive too but it is not part and parcel. If you are going from scratch then you will probably be using USB and onboard hard drive loading so that likely matters little.
  • TastifulBurger
    Oct 15, 2019
    Thank you for the information!
    I suppose I should've left some details about my Xbox. RSG was a brain-fart of mine.
    Model: White Phat [Arcade]
    Voltage: 14.2A
    MFR Date: 2008-05-06
    Dashboard: 2.0.13599.0
    DVD Drive: BENQ VAD-6038 [White wires]
    Has HDMI

    I assume what I have is a Falcon.
  • SirECK
    Oct 15, 2019
    https://weekendmodder.com/identify.html
    Yes you have a Falcon MB.
    If you already have a soldering iron, programming tools and some skill, you can mod it your self.
    For a Falcon, I would recommend the Matrix Glitch Chip (without Oscillator)
    PHAT consoles are not hard to mod but take a little longer to do due to wire routing.
    PHAT boots quick compared to the Slim series.
    It really comes down to cost or skill. If you can find a RGH'd console already, might be worth buying one.
    On the other hand, $20 for soldering iron, $30 for a programmer, $5 for a chip and $5 for some wire + the console itself. (USD)
    If you choose to do it your self, I can point you in the right direction.
  • TastifulBurger
    Oct 15, 2019
    I wouldn't mind some pointers, that would be great.
    I assume that if I successfully managed to hack the Xbox 360, I am able to downgrade the dashboard to when the 360 had the original Switchblade UI as opposed to the modern Metro design that I'm not too fond of.
    Being permabanned from Xbox LIVE is a sacrifice I'm willing to make to get the console souped up. As long as it doesn't succumb to the RROD and can load different applications to enhance my enjoyment.
    Perhaps it would be a good idea of me to find a heavily discounted Xbox 360 somewhere to practice soldering? I'm concerned that one wrong move will brick the console.
  • SirECK
    Oct 15, 2019
    If you hack the console, in theory you should be able to bypass the efuse check and downgrade the dashboard. Most people just run a CFW dashboard, Aurora, FreeStyle.
    If the console ever does connect to XBL when modded it will be banned, no question. During the modding process if you decide to setup a CFW, you are able to block the XBOX from connecting to XBL so if you ever decide to go back to stock you could. There are ways to play online, just not as straight forward as a XBL subscription.
    PHAT consoles though cheap (like $30 at ebgames/gamestop) will fail. It's not IF they will fail, but when they WILL fail.
    Microsoft F'd up on the original design and had a bad manufacturing process. youtube .com/ watch?v=EhW_SXzyUXI (good watch)
    If you want a system that will last, I suggest you look into the Slim S series or the Slim E series (Manufactured before June 2014)
    The E and S series are more expensive then the PHAT but should last longer. Saying that, I find modding the Slim S to be quite easy but I have experience doing it.
    A PHAT console is a good one to practice on. My first was a PAHT Falcon. If you ware willing to risk damaging your console, its a fun weekend project.
    Now just a warning about the Slim S and E consoles. From the outside you cant really tell what motherboard is on the inside. You have to go by manufacture date.
    The Trinity boards IMHO are the better ones as Microsoft didn't didn't really try too hard to prevent modding.
    The Corona boards (there are 6 Models) Microsoft did some things to impede modding. Nothing the modders couldn't handle but extra things are needed to mod some of these boards.
    Just an example is you need to bridge 2 solder pads to make a connection for programming. Another one is they removed the traces need to reset the CPU. A add-on PCB is needed called a post fix.
    Depending one what model you choose, ill help you the best I can.