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Conservative Radio Host Rush Limbaugh dead at 70
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My bad, I did not see were this thread was located
I suggested that politics not be displayed by default to new site visitors but for whatever reason the mods got butt hurt about it.
to quote the best juice wrld album, "goodbye and good riddance"
I agree it would definitely stop a lot of those "non-burner" new accounts from trying to hi-jac threads
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Maybe not mask-off pseudo-fascist like Donald Trump and his friends, but Kamala and Joe do not have very great records even so.
Kamala's years as a prosecutor leave a lot to be desired: https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md#kamala-harris
And Joe's history of racism should never be ignored:
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md#joe-biden
Certainly, they aren't as bad as Trump and they aren't actively trying to harm minority groups but at the end of the day they still serve the system and while serving that system they have been the hands that dispense the bigotry inherent in our politics.
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The Facts
Limbaugh did in fact have a radio segment on his show in which he mocked people dying of AIDS.
LGBTQ+ Nation reported that author Ze'ev Chafets wrote about the segment in his book Rush Limbaugh: An Army of One.
A passage reads: "He chastised 'militant homosexuals' for their disrespectful behavior and shortly thereafter began broadcasting irreverent and tasteless 'AIDS Update' segments introduced by Dionne Warwick's "I'll Never Love This Way Again."
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-rush-limbaugh-mock-aids-death-radio-show-1570282
Limbaugh did in fact have a radio segment on his show in which he mocked people dying of AIDS.
LGBTQ+ Nation reported that author Ze'ev Chafets wrote about the segment in his book Rush Limbaugh: An Army of One.
A passage reads: "He chastised 'militant homosexuals' for their disrespectful behavior and shortly thereafter began broadcasting irreverent and tasteless 'AIDS Update' segments introduced by Dionne Warwick's "I'll Never Love This Way Again."
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-rush-limbaugh-mock-aids-death-radio-show-1570282
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I mean yes but there's one extra thing you have to remember
unlike hardline alt-right nuts like Trump (and honestly Trump goes beyond alt-right), biden and harris are quite possibly capable of personal growth and a change of opinion
the difference between people like trump and limbaugh and those like biden and harris is that even though both were stuck in the past... IN the past, trump and his band of nuts have refused to move on or progress beyond the norms of said past
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Oh I agree and considering our options I would pick Joe and Kamala in a heartbeat.
There are just so many other people who could have been so much better in my opinion who don't have these sort of records so I'm quite disappointed with what we've got and I think it's important that we don't disregard our elected official's pasts just because they're more progressive than the last guys were.
And even taking into consideration that Kamala and Joe have had changes in opinion to some extent, they're still the head of a nation built on the continual exploitation and destruction of foreign nations in the name of profit so until our politicians get their grubby fingers out of other countries I won't be happy.
Sure they might be nicer at home but a bomb dropped by Biden in a foreign country is still a bomb dropped. Just as bad as a bomb dropped by Obama, just as bad as a bomb dropped by Trump.
Granted, Biden's policy in the Middle East still has yet to be fully tested since he's only been in office for a little under a month, but I'd like to see some actual plans to reverse the damages the Trump and Obama administrations (as well as several previous administrations) have made to the region as well as some parts of Africa and South America (among other places). We can't forget that Biden was complicit in Obama's drone strikes that have killed hundreds of civilians as recent as 2017 (the end of Obama's presidency).
In addition, Biden's administration has already overseen 26,248 deportations and counting over the past month so again, I don't feel too great about him. Just because he isn't calling immigrants rapists doesn't mean he isn't actively harming them in other ways.
https://unitedwedream.org/protect-immigrants-now/biden-stop-deportations-now/
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i feel it is our duty to celebrate the deaths of people who
a) signed off on the iraq war
b) declined to prosecute rich landlords who foreclosed illegally on the poor
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I am mildly confused
like
there's bad shit and then there's the level of bad shit that warrants being mocked upon death
limbaugh is the latter, especially since he mocked the deaths of others regularly AS PART OF HIS PROGRAM AT ONE POINT simply for being gay
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Arguably you could say Biden's vote in favor of the Iraq war makes him even worse than Rush Limbaugh considering how many people have died as a result of a war Biden endorsed.
Sure, again, Biden isn't mocking dead gay people on the radio but as a result of his power he's helped bring us one of the worst wars in history. Biden has held more institutional power than Rush ever had, and power always corrupts.
What is worse, Rush's propaganda or Biden's contributions to the destruction of foreign countries? I'll let you decide.
It's simply because Biden wields more power than Rush ever did. I'm sure if Rush was in Biden's position he'd do more and worse. But he never was, and therefore has not committed atrocities on a level that Biden has. That's the insidious nature of neoliberalism, Biden is just another head of the murderous political organization that is our government, he's just nicer to minorities in our country than the conservatives which gives you the illusion of him being a good person. He is not.
Regardless I am still glad that Rush Limbaugh is burning in hell. He was an awful man and undeniably shaped the opinions of many a Fascist who would like nothing more than to see people like me dead. He deserves all the crap he gets, but so does Biden and so does everyone else in charge of the system (Capitalism) that's been killing us all for centuries.
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He is not a good person.
However, he's not quite on the level of being an active heartless bag of dicks with every breath he takes.
I don't know how I'd react to his death, but it definitely wouldn't be with outright celebration. (After all, regardless of his past, he does at least seem to be doing a decent job so far of cleaning up Trump's many messes.)
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Maybe not to you but to the children who've only grown up breathing the smoke of bombs in their lungs their whole lives I'm sure they'd have a different story. It doesn't matter that he isn't spewing hate with every breath because he can do more damage with one bomb than any one of Rush's innumerable tirades could.
Hopefully Biden will clean up Trump's mess, but he better do more than that because fixing problems that should have never existed in the first place isn't progress. Not until Biden's administration stops inflicting violence on immigrants and citizens of other countries. Even then, he's got a hell of a lot more work.
"If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, that's not progress. If you pull it all the way out, that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. They haven't pulled the knife out; they won't even admit that it's there." -Malcolm X
Sure I won't be particularly gleeful when Biden dies as I was when Rush died, but I can fully understand why to someone else Biden's death would be cause for celebration.
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well yes
but in this case he's not sticking in the knife
he stuck in a DIFFERENT knife
he's trying to pull out Trump's shitstained machete (mashitte?)
he kinda has to pull it out before he can even think about his own
and of course he can do more damage, he has actual power
it's not about how much they have done, it's about how much they would do
and we all know that if limbaugh had the slightest bit of actual power, he'd do as bad as he possibly could
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I wouldn't say a different knife personally. I'd say it's the same knife that Capitalism has always held to the people, Trump simply shoved it in further, and Biden's taking it back out a bit. The knife has existed for as long as this nation has existed and Biden has been one of the people holding it for 48 years (his time being elected senator in 1973 to now). He's been just as complicit as every politician, liberal and conservative. He's been a part of the exact system that puts men like Reagan and Trump in power.
It's absolutely about how much someone has done. I think a man who has had a hand in the murder of thousands of people is objectively worse than a man who has been yelling (somewhat) impotently on the radio for decades. Sure Rush was a bigot in all the ways you can think of but he never killed anyone (that we know of). Sure his rhetoric has led to the harm of many people, but again, he's not the one who voted for a war that has murdered thousands.
Regardless, this isn't really a competition to see who's worse, comparing people's morality scores doesn't get you anywhere in actual politics because our system will encourage even the best people to do bad things. I'm just trying to demonstrate how even the nicest of liberal politicians can do more damage than a raging bigot with a radio show so long as Capitalism enables and incentivizes powerful people to do terrible things.
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Because a system that puts men like Stalin, Krushchev, Kim Jong-il and Jong-un, Mao Zadong, Lê Duẩn, Pol Pot, and Tito in power ... is much better I guess???
Besides, stay on topic. This is the thread where ignorant, immature, cold little bastards wallow around in each others' ejaculate in celebration over a person dying.
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To be fair, had Trump succeeded in cheating his way into a second term, let alone maintaining control of both the Senate and the House...
you'd regret making those comparisons rather quickly.
Also, when a man gleefully mocks the death of others on his program because of their sexuality, he deserves every drop of postmortem mockery he gets.
Keep in mind that the aforementioned war, though horrific in a way I cannot excuse... was the result of deliberate misleading and manipulation of evidence (exaggerating every drop of evidence its supporters could get that supported it being justified, while ignoring anything contrary) and around three tons of bipartisan stupidity- so what I can at least partially excuse is one man being fooled into voting yea when so many others were as well.
Also keep in mind that Biden's since admitted to regretting his vote for the Iraq War, and one of his bigger actions as President so far was to drop every last shred of support for the invasion of Yemen- which is to say, he's learned and has decided to UNDO another case of deadly and unnecessary US intervention in the Middle East, likely because he realized just how bad the last one was in every way.
Hanlon's razor applies in full force here- Biden's vote for the war (which, if you're seriously going to use that sole decision as a marker for if someone deserves to be remembered with frothing vitriol after their demise, also applies to 372 other Senators and Representatives), from what he's said and done since, seems to have been a decision born of partially-enforced ignorance rather than malice.
Limbaugh, on the other hand?
Had he held a Senate or House seat at the time, I can guarantee that sour shitstain of a man would have voted yea on it without even caring if the threat EXISTED or not.
He had no power, and still managed to use his words (the only thing he had aside from eventual fame/infamy) to inflame a large chunk of the Republican Party into becoming the raging sewer of hatred and bigotry it is today. Imagine if he HAD power, let alone a position that allowed him to make actual governmental decisions on his own!
The difference between if someone's demise should be pitied or celebrated based on a horrible action they committed... is Hanlon's Razor. Is it ignorance, or is it malice?
Biden had ignorance. Limbaugh practically breathed malice.
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I just listed the worst murderers of the last 100 years. The only one missing from the list was Hitler ... he caused a little less intentional death than either Stalin or Mao though. You're saying Trump belongs on that shelf?
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