What effect would the repeal of section 230 have on GBATemp?

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As I am sure you are all aware, President Trump recently threatened to veto a 740 billion dollar military spending bill if congress doesn't vote to appeal section 230 of the CDA that protects internet platforms from being sued for something a user says on said platform.

I am wondering what the effects would be on the Temp? Is anyone scared that this might lead to the site closing?
 
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It's not something you need to worry about, because it's not going to happen ever. Congress has already overwhelmingly agreed to override any attempt by Trump and his cronies to repeal/veto section 230 of CDA, including his most recent attempt by vetoing the NDAA. Trump has been trying this shit since May, and it's never gotten any further than him bitching and moaning about it on Twitter.
 

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For others playing along this is the "publisher or service provider" thing that has been of much discussion this last few years. A publisher is held to what they post on their website, a service provider (assuming they respond in a timely manner to takedown requests) is not held for what their users post. The questions then coming when Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and the like started pushing their own agendas and issuing bans of dubious merit.

Been following that for a few days. Doubt too much will come of it both in general and for this site. Also while he had some questionable calls in the past most seemed within reason. Reform it by all means but outright repeal... yeah that is a rather suspect call to put it mildly (it is only the law underpinning most of the modern US internet), and that is before the whole having it as a rider on military spending (while the US does it rather a lot for the dubious results it gets it is never the less rather important to the US).

The site owners are UK and French nationals not living in the US, the "business" aspect is not in the US, the servers are not in the US as far as I am aware (I don't know if they are still in France).

To that end probably not a lot, unless the US internet then goes full isolationist or forces it like various EU laws forced US news sites to skip EU visitors.
 

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The site owners are UK and French nationals not living in the US, the "business" aspect is not in the US, the servers are not in the US as far as I am aware (I don't know if they are still in France).

To that end probably not a lot, unless the US internet then goes full isolationist or forces it like various EU laws forced US news sites to skip EU visitors.
GBAtemp has been hosted in the US now for around a year or so ;)
 
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For others playing along this is the "publisher or service provider" thing that has been of much discussion this last few years. A publisher is held to what they post on their website, a service provider (assuming they respond in a timely manner to takedown requests) is not held for what their users post. The questions then coming when Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and the like started pushing their own agendas and issuing bans of dubious merit.

Been following that for a few days. Doubt too much will come of it both in general and for this site. Also while he had some questionable calls in the past most seemed within reason. Reform it by all means but outright repeal... yeah that is a rather suspect call to put it mildly (it is only the law underpinning most of the modern US internet), and that is before the whole having it as a rider on military spending (while the US does it rather a lot for the dubious results it gets it is never the less rather important to the US).

The site owners are UK and French nationals not living in the US, the "business" aspect is not in the US, the servers are not in the US as far as I am aware (I don't know if they are still in France).

To that end probably not a lot, unless the US internet then goes full isolationist or forces it like various EU laws forced US news sites to skip EU visitors.
Phew, I am glad to hear the servers and admins aren't in the US. That basically answers the question lol

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GBAtemp has been hosted in the US now for around a year or so ;)
This ruins the relief I just felt
 
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GBAtemp has been hosted in the US now for around a year or so ;)
Should pay more attention it seems.

In that case in the unlikely event of then might see a new server sourced and server migration happen just to dodge issues. Don't know what the database size is these days (the addition of attachments probably pumped it up a nice bit) but should not be anything too drastic.
 

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It's not something you need to worry about, because it's not going to happen ever. Congress has already overwhelmingly agreed to override any attempt by Trump and his cronies to repeal/veto section 230 of CDA, including his most recent attempt by vetoing the NDAA. Trump has been trying this shit since May, and it's never gotten any further than him bitching and moaning about it on Twitter.
I wouldn't be so unconcerned. Although a total repeal is very unlikely, the Democrats agree that it should be reformed. They just want it reformed in a different way than the Republicans. I suspect that it will ultimately be reformed in some capacity within the next few years.

I'm curious, does the EU have an equivalent to section 230? Or do they already operate in the way that a post-230 US would?
 
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I wonder if repealing/altering Section 230 would just cause the sites to ‘double down’ on content removals, since they could now have increased liability for any content?

Especially with other governments wanting them to ‘crack down’ on certain things e.g. the UK government.
 

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I wonder if repealing/altering Section 230 would just cause the sites to ‘double down’ on content removals, since they could now have increased liability for any content?

Especially with other governments wanting them to ‘crack down’ on certain things e.g. the UK government.
Most likely. They'd probably do whatever they could to remove user-posted content where reasonable. When an exception was made that held websites liable for sex-trafficking that occurerd on their platforms, many websites just took down any content that could possibly trigger the exception. Tumblr banned porn outright. Craigslist removed their Casual Encounters section. Ironically, this actually made sex-trafficking harder to track since it was just pushed underground. Unsurprisingly, the law passed nearly unanimously since who wants to be the one to vote against a measure that targets sex-trafficking? There's a lawsuit challenging it though, so with any luck it will eventually be struck down in the courts.
 
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I'm curious, does the EU have an equivalent to section 230? Or do they already operate in the way that a post-230 US would?

Varies dramatically. The EU is not really the equivalent of the federal government in the US, though they do make legislation that all EU members (the UK being in the process of leaving, not all things in geographical Europe being in the EU) agree to integrate into their laws and follow over the coming years, each state (and sometimes subdivisions of them) still have enormous autonomy.
You might have heard it in context of article 13 a few years ago
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wha...ean-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban and https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51240785 (UK not implementing it).

Anyway beyond that then the distinction is not really made the same way. For the UK then each field tends to have its own thing, own regulatory body and rules set by which they get to operate. Most of it antiquated and not really dealing with this internet lark so well.

Broadcasters, some telecoms, postal services (though most of that is in turn farmed out to the postal providers themselves)
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/information-for-industry/codes-of-practice
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/postal-services/advice

Newspapers
https://www.ipso.co.uk/ though they are dubious in the eyes of some (toothless or in the pocket of).
https://www.impress.press/ is a newer one that various press industry panels recognise but only a few more local types use it

Advertisers
https://www.asa.org.uk/
On the internet this also gets tricky.



Social media regulation...
Slightly under ofcom but more is likely to come https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8743/

What legal potency each of those had varies, though fines, regulations being looked at it courts and more besides do come from them. You are way more likely to hear of cases involving them though than some kind of police force or national crime agencies starting a case, or an internet company citing it as a defence in court (or trying to adopt the best position around that for the given case in court). Generally it is recognised that you probably don't want mega fines for having a comments section so most of those will have phrases like "expeditious removal" to mean the same thing as timely removal in response to properly filed/served legal notice.

Rinse and repeat for every other country, some of which do things quite differently (we had a few posts around here about Germany's censorship practices vis a vis games, though that might not be quite the same thing even if the law underpinning it tends to inform what others do).
 
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the answer to OP's question is: none

GBAtemp has been hosted in the US now for around a year or so ;)
it's in the US for speed reasons, but it doesn't have to be... so the worst that could happen is we would move the server to a different country
 
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