Pokemon Masters gets new information, shows off 3v3 battles and gameplay

RedoLane · Jun 27, 2019

I'm not a Pokémon fan, and I only played until Platinum(and X, because 3D graphics appeal), but even I got the shivers when Red and Blue showed up in the animated trailer.

AbyssalMonkey · Jun 27, 2019

warweeny said:
How about stop making them?
The game been milked enough as it is and many fans stopped caring a long time ago (including myself, pokemon moon/sun was the final game i played, not finished, PLAYED. the pokemon were garbage, the "story" was shit and everything needs to be happy go lucky)

If they cannot put the creatures in their games, then do either a hard reset (all previous pokemon disregarded, not some) or only have version exclusive pokemon for each game (and no older pokemon are present)

Otherwise this franchise is dead before long, especially how they treat their fans.

The hard reset would basically kill the franchise. The best middle ground they could do is to have a central hub for all the pokemon that exist and every game is a platform to introduce new ones. I feel this is exactly what their goal is too. I can't imagine they're stupid enough to not realize that leaving behind 80% of the roster, or even 20% permanently would make everyone angry.

Having no older pokemon in a game is also a bad decision. For better or worse, older pokemon pad the roster and add a fuller lineup of strategic choices for the game. Nobody wants pidgey-clone 5 because they just didn't import pidgey. This padding does two things: less duplicates which means that in the grand scheme of things there is less work for a central hub, but as I said, it means that you can have your new pokemon too without losing roles.

pedro702 · Jun 27, 2019

AbyssalMonkey said:
I don't hate the fact that gamefreak is not putting all the Pokemon into every Pokemon game from here out. Thinking long term, it's the only way to keep the games reasonable to develop. What happens when you have 2000 pokemon on the next generation game? They're going to be forced to remodel all the pokemon again, bug test them all, animate every single attack, bug test those too, etc. It's an insane amount of work for even a single game, and it just makes it entirely unfeasible in the long run. You also have all the other tag-a-longs on the pokemon too, such has badge history, ribbon history, and whatever else they've bothered adding to pokemon metadata. Keeping trading going between games is just not feasible. Frankly it's a miracle they've done it this far and didn't abandon the idea when the games switched to 3D.

Honestly though, I can't blame anyone upset about the debacle because game freak hasn't released an all in one merger metagame where you can have every pokemon and a near infinite amount of them as well. The pokemon bank works fine, but it lacks the ability to have battling. They don't need anything else. It's a service attached to your NNID, so it's forward moving, and this means that whenever they release a new pokemon game, they just update the neobank with all the data for compatibility.

I honestly think they're going to end up doing it eventually. It would be a good business move too. It turns pokemon from being a line of games into a platform where you buy the games to get access to that region's pokemon for the central battle arena. Hmmm, central battle arena, what would be a good name for such a service? Maybe Pokemon Colosseum?

even if they are 2000 what is that lol? your telling me they cant make simple animations for 2000 models? theres games out there now with many more individual models and they all work, they dont do fancy animations for oves its basicaly just move to the right or move up and such its not like they do the actual moves they just use like 1 or 2 animations per pokemon at best, with the exception of special moves like z moves which they can just take away really.

For the billions dollars pokemon games make animation 900 models with very simple animations isnt that much specialy when they already have most of them done from sun moon.

Btw pokemon Go is reaching 500 pokemons and they all have more animations and better models on their 500 pokemons that are available and the next mainline game will have worse models/animations and pokemons than a phone app lol.

Xzi · Jun 27, 2019

What little actual gameplay they showed looks pretty awful, but that's to be expected for a smartphone title.

AbyssalMonkey · Jun 27, 2019

pedro702 said:
even if they are 2000 what is that lol? your telling me they cant make simple animations for 2000 models? theres games out there now with many more individual models and they all work, they dont do fancy animations for oves its basicaly just move to the right or move up and such its not like they do the actual moves they just use like 1 or 2 animations per pokemon at best, with the exception of special moves like z moves which they can just take away really.

For the billions dollars pokemon games make animation 900 models with very simple animations isnt that much specialy when they already have most of them done from sun moon.

Btw pokemon Go is reaching 500 pokemons and they all have more animations and better models on their 500 pokemons that are available and the next mainline game will have worse models/animations and pokemons than a phone app lol.

Your idea of "not that much" is far more than most games do in fact have. There are reasons why every game uses reskinned models, and that includes people. As I stated, it's not just models, it's the movesets and metadata that come with them too. Every game that they add a new attack in while including old pokemon, they need to go back and give that move to the pokemon it makes sense to have. This is all a logistical nightmare.

I've said it in the post you quoted. There's no need to include more bloat in a game than necessary, especially with a large backlog like pokemon. In fact, I'm going to matter of factly state this: When game freak makes a central battle arena, and they will if they want pokemon to survive, they're going to treat it much like any CCG treats their cards; every game is going to be a new "season" of pokemon, and they will have rankings, and the rankings are going to be based off the versions of pokemon available. Sword and shield will be the first season, and every game after is going to be a different season. There will always be the "legacy" where all pokemon are allowed, but it's not going to be the leading role.

Pokemon is going to be what it always was: a CCG in a different set of clothes. Game Freak is just now going to make it more obvious than ever. Pokemon has always been a LCG, it's just people haven't seen it that way and are now getting upset when it's finally being actively marketed as such.

As for the models, that's how consoles work. The models are depolyed so that weaker hardware can handle it. Most phones are more powerful than the 3DS. Quite a few of them are more powerful than the Switch. Complaining about version parity is akin to complaining that the Genesis had a better version of Aladdin than the SNES. Different hardware means different demands.

pedro702 · Jun 27, 2019

AbyssalMonkey said:
Your idea of "not that much" is far more than most games do in fact have. There are reasons why every game uses reskinned models, and that includes people. As I stated, it's not just models, it's the movesets and metadata that come with them too. Every game that they add a new attack in while including old pokemon, they need to go back and give that move to the pokemon it makes sense to have. This is all a logistical nightmare.

I've said it in the post you quoted. There's no need to include more bloat in a game than necessary, especially with a large backlog like pokemon. In fact, I'm going to matter of factly state this: When game freak makes a central battle arena, and they will if they want pokemon to survive, they're going to treat it much like any CCG treats their cards; every game is going to be a new "season" of pokemon, and they will have rankings, and the rankings are going to be based off the versions of pokemon available. Sword and shield will be the first season, and every game after is going to be a different season. There will always be the "legacy" where all pokemon are allowed, but it's not going to be the leading role.

Pokemon is going to be what it always was: a CCG in a different set of clothes. Game Freak is just now going to make it more obvious than ever. Pokemon has always been a LCG, it's just people haven't seen it that way and are now getting upset when it's finally being actively marketed as such.

As for the models, that's how consoles work. The models are depolyed so that weaker hardware can handle it. Most phones are more powerful than the 3DS. Quite a few of them are more powerful than the Switch. Complaining about version parity is akin to complaining that the Genesis had a better version of Aladdin than the SNES. Different hardware means different demands.

i was talking about the fact that pokemon go which is a free game has more available pokemons , every pokemon has a 3d model and animations than the next mainline pokemon go that alone is ridculous, how can a spin off have more stuff than a main game. that just puts gamefreak to shame imo.

pokemon go will keep adding pokemons it wont be even 2 years and i bet they will have every pokemon from gen 1 to 8, gamefreak could just use those 3d models since aparently they cant make them all and yet pokemon go team on a free game can with microtransations alone lol.

DuoForce · Jun 27, 2019

anhminh said:
WoW, ThE gRaPhIc iS sO MuCh BetTer tHan PokEmoN SwOrD aNd ShIeLd.

They are

Luna_Deafenhine · Jun 27, 2019

I'm actually excited for this, it looks like their putting focus on all the gens, not just prioritizing gen 1. (Don't get me wrong, I love gen 1. It's the OG and I'll respect it for that. But it's time to give other generations a chance to shine. Like gen 2, I wanna see Gold and Silver with their Typhlosion and Feraligatr) Though I will say, seeing Red and Blue in the trailer was great. I'm loving Red's new redesign, may be my favorite thus far.

Sliter · Jun 27, 2019

Shirona is there, nothing more matters! /runs

Deleted member 412537 · Jun 27, 2019

Meh, I'd rather play this one instead of Pokemon Go.

Darksabre72 · Jun 27, 2019

limpbiz411 said:
looks dumb, how bout a traditional pokemon game for the phone

well considering they're making so many games i doubt they would be able to do that currently

anhminh · Jun 28, 2019

warweeny said:
It's true through, this game at least runs above 10 fps and 240P

DuoForce said:
They are

Not sure if you guy are trolling or serious...

Hells Malice · Jun 28, 2019

I came here wanting to hate this but it actually looks interesting. Will give it a try. Till now pokemon mobile games have had a shitty dumbed down battle system so simple even retarded pet rocks could master it. This is a step in the right direction.

warweeny said:
How about stop making them?
The game been milked enough as it is and many fans stopped caring a long time ago (including myself, pokemon moon/sun was the final game i played, not finished, PLAYED. the pokemon were garbage, the "story" was shit and everything needs to be happy go lucky)

If they cannot put the creatures in their games, then do either a hard reset (all previous pokemon disregarded, not some) or only have version exclusive pokemon for each game (and no older pokemon are present)

Otherwise this franchise is dead before long, especially how they treat their fans.

Sucks for you. Pokemon is still one of the most popular franchises to exist. So you and "many fans" apparently don't make up too much of the fanbase.

Not fitting all pokemon is fine. There's a lot. Trimming games to be more reasonable is also fine. People bitch and cry now but no one will care about a week after release. As with everything pokemon does.

The series will live on and continue to do so for years to come, because thus far it has managed to stay relevant for two decades already. I'm not even a big pokemon fan, but your post just reeks of ignorance and stupidity.

GbaNober · Jun 28, 2019

Testing the waters,if it flows smoothly with cash(like Pokemon Go)they will probably stick on mobile platform

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RedBlueGreen · Jun 28, 2019

AbyssalMonkey said:
I don't hate the fact that gamefreak is not putting all the Pokemon into every Pokemon game from here out. Thinking long term, it's the only way to keep the games reasonable to develop. What happens when you have 2000 pokemon on the next generation game? They're going to be forced to remodel all the pokemon again, bug test them all, animate every single attack, bug test those too, etc. It's an insane amount of work for even a single game, and it just makes it entirely unfeasible in the long run. You also have all the other tag-a-longs on the pokemon too, such has badge history, ribbon history, and whatever else they've bothered adding to pokemon metadata. Keeping trading going between games is just not feasible. Frankly it's a miracle they've done it this far and didn't abandon the idea when the games switched to 3D.

Honestly though, I can't blame anyone upset about the debacle because game freak hasn't released an all in one merger metagame where you can have every pokemon and a near infinite amount of them as well. The pokemon bank works fine, but it lacks the ability to have battling. They don't need anything else. It's a service attached to your NNID, so it's forward moving, and this means that whenever they release a new pokemon game, they just update the neobank with all the data for compatibility.

I honestly think they're going to end up doing it eventually. It would be a good business move too. It turns pokemon from being a line of games into a platform where you buy the games to get access to that region's pokemon for the central battle arena. Hmmm, central battle arena, what would be a good name for such a service? Maybe Pokemon Colosseum?

As long as they make the models high quality, they can just reuse them like they've been doing since X/Y. It makes sense not to have every Pokémon catchable in the wild, but they should still be programmed into the game.

Deleted User · Jun 28, 2019

MAN-O-MAN!
Pokemon should make an animation!
Look at that animation quality, wish I could watch that kind of programs on my TV.

DuoForce · Jun 28, 2019

This game looks so much better than sword and shield. I wonder if they will have Home support?

MadMageKefka · Jun 28, 2019

Fucking mobile "gamers" ruined pokemon for everyone. Thanks to the overwhelming success of pokemon go compared to literally anything else that makes gamefreaks money, they dont care about their old fans or traditional pokemon games any more. To put in in perspective, pokemon go has made gamefreaks approx. 5% of there TOTAL revenue since the beginning. Seriously, combine every penny they have made since the company began and pokemon go accounts for a WHOPPING 5% of it, it's beyond insane. Many of us live in denial and like to think its not true, but this franchise (as we know it) is dead. Pokemon isnt going anywhere as a whole, but I SERIOUSLY doubt we will ever see a decent mainstream game again. Why bother putting so much money and effort into mainstream games when you can just outsource to another company to make a crappy mobile game for you, when it will earn you 100x the money? Screw this, screw sword and shield, screw gamefreaks. Im gonna go play OR/AS again and pretend gamefreaks still cares about us.

Hells Malice said:
Sucks for you. Pokemon is still one of the most popular franchises to exist. So you and "many fans" apparently don't make up too much of the fanbase.

Not fitting all pokemon is fine. There's a lot. Trimming games to be more reasonable is also fine. People bitch and cry now but no one will care about a week after release. As with everything pokemon does.

The series will live on and continue to do so for years to come, because thus far it has managed to stay relevant for two decades already. I'm not even a big pokemon fan, but your post just reeks of ignorance and stupidity.

....wow, you kinda seem like an asshole. See my above statement. The fanbase chaged completely with pokemon go. While no one blames them for cashing in on their SUPER successful mobile game, its frustrating to see them stop caring about the original fans that built their company to begin with. Pokemon go never would have come to be if not for us, maybe it would have been digimon go? lol. Either way, would be nice if they could toss us OG fans a bone now and then.

Foxi4 · Jun 29, 2019

MadMageKefka said:
Fucking mobile "gamers" ruined pokemon for everyone. Thanks to the overwhelming success of pokemon go compared to literally anything else that makes gamefreaks money, they dont care about their old fans or traditional pokemon games any more. To put in in perspective, pokemon go has made gamefreaks approx. 5% of there TOTAL revenue since the beginning. Seriously, combine every penny they have made since the company began and pokemon go accounts for a WHOPPING 5% of it, it's beyond insane. Many of us live in denial and like to think its not true, but this franchise (as we know it) is dead. Pokemon isnt going anywhere as a whole, but I SERIOUSLY doubt we will ever see a decent mainstream game again. Why bother putting so much money and effort into mainstream games when you can just outsource to another company to make a crappy mobile game for you, when it will earn you 100x the money? Screw this, screw sword and shield, screw gamefreaks. Im gonna go play OR/AS again and pretend gamefreaks still cares about us.

....wow, you kinda seem like an asshole. See my above statement. The fanbase chaged completely with pokemon go. While no one blames them for cashing in on their SUPER successful mobile game, its frustrating to see them stop caring about the original fans that built their company to begin with. Pokemon go never would have come to be if not for us, maybe it would have been digimon go? lol. Either way, would be nice if they could toss us OG fans a bone now and then.

Pokemon games are some of the least original titles on the market today and Game Freak's idea of improving the them over the years was adding more Pokemon to a list that was already fairly large, as well as convoluting the rules as much as humanly possible. The Pokemon fan base is primarily concerned with figuring out the algorithms behind the title to maximise efficiency in a game that was created as a fun little adventure for children. I can only assume that the strong reliance on RNG in these games was implemented specifically to spite them because they are actively ruining the fun that used to be Pokemon. If anything, games like Pokemon Go and Let's Go Eevee are less of a departure from the core series and more of a return to its roots, and I've played Pokemon since Gen 1. If all subsequent generations of Pokemon were just wiped from the game completely, I wouldn't even flinch because, as it stands, it's no longer about "Gotta catch'em all", it's about doing homework. Remember to carry the 2 when the IV is below 4 and the moon is full!

MadMageKefka · Jun 29, 2019

Foxi4 said:
Pokemon games are some of the least original titles on the market today and Game Freak's idea of improving the them over the years was adding more Pokemon to a list that was already fairly large, as well as convoluting the rules as much as humanly possible. The Pokemon fan base is primarily concerned with figuring out the algorithms behind the title to maximise efficiency in a game that was created as a fun little adventure for children. I can only assume that the strong reliance on RNG in these games was implemented specifically to spite them because they are actively ruining the fun that used to be Pokemon. If anything, games like Pokemon Go and Let's Go Eevee are less of a departure from the core series and more of a return to its roots, and I've played Pokemon since Gen 1. If all subsequent generations of Pokemon were just wiped from the game completely, I wouldn't even flinch because, as it stands, it's no longer about "Gotta catch'em all", it's about doing homework. Remember to carry the 2 when the IV is below 4 and the moon is full!

I mean, you kinda have to expect any game that has a competitive side is going to have players that "did their homework." If Game Freak doesn't like that side of the game, then they shouldn't be fanning the flames and hosting tournaments and the like. I also kinda feel like you're blowing the knowledge needed to understand stats out of proportion. Besides, nothing about the competitive side is preventing you from enjoying single player and "catching 'em all" or casual matches with friends or other casuals you meet online. I don't particularly enjoy playing dress-up with my pikachu, so I just don't. I fail to see how having a competitive side for more hardcore fans "ruins" anything for anyone else.

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