Physical version of Wolfenstein: Youngblood for the Nintendo Switch may not include game cart

Olmectron · Apr 8, 2019

pedro702 said:
Also i love people saying oh you wont play a game without updates or dlc its impossible.. so any game that doesnt have a day one patch and you bought it on day one you wont play it until they release dlc and patches? lol i finished countless games before they got patches to fix the bugs or dlc, and i didnt replay them again just becuase they got a patch to fix some minor bug or a new skin for something...

Some games are impossible to play without the day one patch update, mostly because of game breaking bugs. This happens more in some PS4 and Xbox One games.

I meant those games with game-breaking bugs. Other, sure, work without a patch, or don't even have updates.

And talking about the Switch, most games don't require updates to work because so little of them have game breaking bugs at launch.

Nintendo first party games are prime examples of this. However, still look at games like Zelda BOTW. Version 1.0 had some really noticeable frame rates in many areas of the game. It has improved a lot with updates since then. I would really find it annoying to play without the improvements now.

Techjunky90 · Apr 8, 2019

Foxi4 said:
There's a very good chance that putting it on a cartridge simply wouldn't be feasible, there is a number of games on the Switch that only ship with a basic launcher and require a download of the rest of the data in order to even work. Large capacity cartridges cut into the profit margin significantly - manufacturing a 32GB cartridge reportedly costs 60% more than pressing a 50GB BluRay disc, this is why developers opt for the 8GB cartridges instead. This was a known quantity *before* the Switch released, AAA titles are just too big for the storage medium, nobody should be surprised by this. Unless you're willing to cover the price difference, which none of you are as I still remember the debacle about the price difference between Skyrim and Wolfenstein 2 on the Switch versus other platforms, future games will either be all-digital or unplayable without a download, which is ultimately just wasting money on the launcher cartridge anyway. Bethesda *already tried* the approach you guys want and it *didn't work*, they just want to release games on the platform, but Nintendo fans are impossible to please.

That's still no excuse. They could do a physical release and require a download for the rest of the data. Which means the physical game that consumers bought still has a resell value.

pedro702 · Apr 8, 2019

Olmectron said:
Some games are impossible to play without the day one patch update, mostly because of game breaking bugs. This happens more in some PS4 and Xbox One games.

I meant those games with game-breaking bugs. Other, sure, work without a patch, or don't even have updates.

And talking about the Switch, most games don't require updates to work because so little of them have game breaking bugs at launch.

Nintendo first party games are prime examples of this. However, still look at games like Zelda BOTW. Version 1.0 had some really noticeable frame rates in many areas of the game. It has improved a lot with updates since then. I would really find it annoying to play without the improvements now.

even games with gamebreaking bugs can be played once the bug is known there are usually ways to avoid them, i never needed to install a patch to finish any ps4 game until now, the only games that absolutely need day one pacthes are those unfinished games like download required banner on switch an even some ps4 games like cod ww2 and games that miss parts like spyro trilogy and such.

i played loz botw fully before any patch really and you dont miss what you never had,and like i said if anyone buys this game use in 20 years they wont miss a patch they never had becuase it will probably be its first playthrough, heck people nowadays complain so much about frame drops its annoying, one can tell they couldn't ever play on n64 or ps1, back on those days frame drops were extreme to the point of turning some games into slideshows and yet games were praised because some frame drops on certain parts dont make the game unplayable some great examples are like star wars rogue squadron and turok 2 on n64 are considered amazing games by everyone and yet on original n64 some missions turn into slideshows on certain parts.

geodeath · Apr 8, 2019

Foxi4 said:
There's a very good chance that putting it on a cartridge simply wouldn't be feasible, there is a number of games on the Switch that only ship with a basic launcher and require a download of the rest of the data in order to even work. Large capacity cartridges cut into the profit margin significantly - manufacturing a 32GB cartridge reportedly costs 60% more than pressing a 50GB BluRay disc, this is why developers opt for the 8GB cartridges instead. This was a known quantity *before* the Switch released, AAA titles are just too big for the storage medium, nobody should be surprised by this. Unless you're willing to cover the price difference, which none of you are as I still remember the debacle about the price difference between Skyrim and Wolfenstein 2 on the Switch versus other platforms, future games will either be all-digital or unplayable without a download, which is ultimately just wasting money on the launcher cartridge anyway. Bethesda *already tried* the approach you guys want and it *didn't work*, they just want to release games on the platform, but Nintendo fans are impossible to please.

I agree to everything, but surely, it is not the fans that are impossible to please, but rather Nintendo being high as a kite, underestimating yet for another generation what the physical limits of their console need to be. Surely they knew this was going to go this way. Memory is extremely cheap nowadays, so if it costs a lot, then it is up to Nintendo to bulk buy and not make a lot of money on chips, or find a cheaper alternative. I mean, i get it. But the problem is and will be, that people who pay £50 will want to see their £50 being used to some extend for the physical media, shipping, retail packaging etc. It is not people being unreasonable, expecting to pay less for a lesser version of the game. Something has to give and while yes, customers should pay for their choice of medium, if that medium is out of the realm of the possible in the first place... perhaps the mistake is with big N themselves.

b17bomber · Apr 8, 2019

DURR WHY DON'T OUR GAMES SELL ON NINTENDO SYSTEMS

Spider_Man · Apr 8, 2019

So its started, games already too expensive to fit on nintendos expensive carts so your paying full whack for digital shit you dont own or can do as you wish.

tech3475 · Apr 8, 2019

tbb043 said:
Frankly, a lot of them won't even know unless/until a customer raises a stink about it.

Even then they’ll probably just look at the box and refuse a refund if the shrink wrap is off post purchase (which is normal even for physical media).

The only time you’ll likely encounter someone saying something about it is if it’s to push micro sd sales.

Captain_N · Apr 9, 2019

kumikochan said:
And developers/publishers should be boycotted for this crappy anti consumer bullshit behaviour

This. Ill be voting with my wallet. I will pirate the shit out of it. If a publisher is gonna make a physical box then it needs to have the cart. Not a shit download code. What is the point of the box then? I can ask my local gamestop for some switch cases and print my own cover art. They dont even have to make their own physical releases. Limited run games would do it. Limited run games found a way to make money off physical releases. Their physical releases are good quality too.

Sakitoshi · Apr 9, 2019

RedoLane said:
leaving the incorrect capital I aside

you are not old enough to remember that the "i" and "d" were stylized as capitals.

WallsAreLiquid · Apr 9, 2019

I feel sorry for collectioners. Nintendo video games collecting has ended somewhere in DS era. Even 3DS titles are patch and DLC infested.

Jayro · Apr 9, 2019

Looks like I'll be pirating that one then, if the box is empty.

Deleted User · Apr 9, 2019

Boohoo, SONY's proprietary memory card killed the VITA, its a shame...Sorry, I'm still stuck in 2013...
Back then, PSV memory was 2 to 3 times more expensive (64gb=80€), but games were 5 to 10 times lighter (3Go max).

Do the math, it's getting worse.
Low resolution texture packs should solve this, but who would play games for their gameplay

RedoLane · Apr 9, 2019

Sakitoshi said:
you are not old enough to remember that the "i" and "d" were stylized as capitals.

Are we gonna talk about the past or the present?

Deleted User · Apr 9, 2019

So whats the fucking point in the brick and mortar store version then!

Jesus, this isn't fucking difficult like.

starburst · Apr 9, 2019

So, a code in a box… equals a physical version.

Code:

Right?

CMDreamer · Apr 10, 2019

Another game I won't play ever.

I don't like digital-only releases, I prefer having the cartridge and take it anywhere I want without saturating the very limited storage of the system. After all I'm paying for the game to enjoy it in any way I want, and digitally is not an option for me.

Whenever the online store (of any system that is) goes thru the sewer all the digital only released games will follow and we will have nothing on our hands.

If this is the future of console gaming then I'll pass and enjoy my physical copies of the games I own. Period.

DANTENDO · Apr 10, 2019

CMDreamer said:
If this is the future of console gaming then I'll pass and enjoy my physical copies of the games I own. Period

Seeing these I'll pass comments is laughable if gaming become digital only end of the day you will still get the game gaming is in the blood

osaka35 · Apr 10, 2019

I don't mind empty boxes. People will buy it for collections. Great deal of xbox/sony games seem to be mostly download-required data anyway. With the size of games and the cost to capacity of discs/flash, it's probably the only way it can be right now. The move to all-digital is a way for companies to get around the issue and make it a you problem rather than a them problem. the loss of consumer rights is just a huge plus for them.

That issues aside, what I mind is it not being explicitly stated clearly on the box. We want transparency on what's on the disc/cartridge and what will be downloaded. "download required? maaaaaaybe" isn't good enough. State if it's a voucher, a launcher, part of the game with download required(like spyro), or complete playable game. version number wouldn't be amiss either. Never going to happen, but it should be a thing. Not having the option for the whole game to be on a disc or cartridge is bad. Being kept in the dark about it is pretty dang bad as well.

TheDarkGreninja · Apr 10, 2019

Foxi4 said:
Epic did this with Fortnite before, it's basically an option to buy the game in a box. Good for gifts, but not for collectors - the box is just bragging rights. Let's not pretend this never happened before, it's exactly how Nintendo released Pokemon Gold/Silver on the 3DS.

That doesn't stop it from being scummy just because someone has done it before.

Foxi4 · Apr 10, 2019

TheDarkGreninja said:
That doesn't stop it from being scummy just because someone has done it before.

What's scummy about it if you know what you're buying? You don't *have* to buy the game. If you don't like digital purchases, the best thing you can do is vote with your wallet.

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