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Jussie Smollett alleges he was victim of hate crime, police arrest him for faking it

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You mean now the media won't jump to conclusions, after something just comes out, and might have to do actual research? I guess this would have been nice a few weeks ago, when the media and celebrities jumped on that high school student who was evil, because he smirked!

Oh who am I kidding, this changes nothing, and they'll still jump to conclusions!
That's precisely what the 24-hour news channels were built for, wild speculation and jumping to conclusions in the minutes after a story breaks. At the very least, you'll get a retraction from left-leaning networks when they get their facts wrong, but you'll never see that from right-leaning networks because every other day would be 24 hours of retractions.
 

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That's precisely what the 24-hour news channels were built for, wild speculation and jumping to conclusions in the minutes after a story breaks. At the very least, you'll get a retraction from left-leaning networks when they get their facts wrong, but you'll never see that from right-leaning networks because every other day would be 24 hours of retractions.
That's why I don't watch either of them.

Also, I don't see any retractions or apologies from the left leaning websites and celebrities for nearly ruining a teens life for just smirking. I'm happy he's suing them all, and I hope he takes them to the cleaners.
 

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Also, I don't see any retractions or apologies from the left leaning websites and celebrities for nearly ruining a teens life for just smirking. I'm happy he's suing them all, and I hope he takes them to the cleaners.
He's a fucking smarmy cunt, and I'm betting his lawsuits get thrown out after the defense shows the second video where him and his friends are yelling, "it's not rape if it feels good" at women during the same event. Largely irrelevant, but I'm sick of the right-wing pretending he's some goddamned angel.
 
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The bigger issue I have with this is knowing that if he faked it, then it will hurt future cases. We live in a world where one fake case (especially involving someone famous,) damages trust for every similar case after it. It's not uncommon for people to react to this by deciding any future cases are more than likely faked because of this case and it will ruin the trust for future hate crime related cases.
 
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According to the Chicago Police Report he was unsatisfied with his salary which is why he faked it.

The problem with his story was that it was outrageous, right away it just wasn’t believable. Fake Crimes is actually not uncommon. You can find maps online that collects data and shows fake hate crimes in the hundreds.

Social Justice is in and it can raise someones profile and open up opportunities by being a victim of something.
 

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Hmm...by any chance, does anyone has a mirror to this link? The Chicago Tribune doesn't like Europe very much. :unsure:

...but going by the replies (from @AmandaRose and @Viri ), I'm very much inclined to believe the police in this case. If these guys are really his friends (shouldn't be hard to prove), they are indeed the ones buying rope and masks (of which there is proof) and have a check written by Smollett to boot (which is so much proof it's downright absurd), then his defense is going to be pretty hard.

And yeah...being outside at 2AM at *calculates* -28°C is rather strange, but at least that might have a good excuse. I honestly can't think of one, but...it might. :unsure:


It's relevant because now Fox News will be bringing up the Jussie Smollett story to distract every time there's a new MAGA shooter/bomber.
Sorry, but I've got to side with @Viri here. Whatever Fox might decide to blow out of proportions or diminish is totally irrelevant to this topic. It's certainly no excuse to start using the same tactics.
 
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Sorry, but I've got to side with @Viri here. Whatever Fox might decide to blow out of proportions or diminish is totally irrelevant to this topic. It's certainly no excuse to start using the same tactics.
Same tactics as who? I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, rather exactly what I predicted would happen is already coming to pass in this very thread: the Smollett story is being used to minimize an actual foiled right-wing terrorist attack. One staged attack is not a free pass to dismiss the obvious rise in extremism America is experiencing recently.

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I can only state my thoughts on the Smollett case so many times: he deserves whatever punishment is coming. This is just more fuel for the moronic cries of "fake news!" Hell, I'm sure the right-wing will go as far as trying to connect the Smollett story to Holocaust denial. The Kool-Aid runs deep with that crowd.
 
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You mean now the media won't jump to conclusions, after something just comes out, and might have to do actual research? I guess this would have been nice a few weeks ago, when the media and celebrities jumped on that high school student who was evil, because he smirked!

Oh who am I kidding, this changes nothing, and they'll still jump to conclusions!

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He did fake it. I'm surprised anyone believed it in the first place. The story is so laughably bad. But don't worry, if he gets changed for mailing fake white powder, he'll go to real scary jail, and meet some real white supremacist.
That story was a disaster. It destroyed people’s trust in the media. It wasn’t just one news outlet, it was many. The fact that random people YouTube were more trust worthy is just bad, it’s bad for the media. And they for along time refused to apologize. Now they are getting sued.

It looks like they are doing the same with this story.

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Same tactics as who? I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, rather exactly what I predicted would happen is already coming to pass in this very thread: the Smollett story is being used to minimize an actual foiled right-wing terrorist attack. One staged attack is not a free pass to dismiss the obvious rise in extremism America is experiencing recently.

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I haven’t read one comment here that dismisses legit cases.
 
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I haven’t read one comment here that dismisses legit cases.
Viri and Taleweaver were attempting to be dismissive of it, but I do appreciate that you and Hanafuda acknowledged it despite having right-wing viewpoints. There's always common ground to be found as long as we're all willing to acknowledge the facts in any given case, wherever they might lead.
 

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Viri and Taleweaver were attempting to be dismissive of it, but I do appreciate that you and Hanafuda acknowledged it despite having right-wing viewpoints. There's always common ground to be found as long as we're all willing to acknowledge the facts in any given case, wherever they might lead.
Of this case? They are not dismissive of this or any other case. I don’t think they are or anyone else you think for that matter. You’re probably blowing this way out of proportion and imagine the extremes people will never go to, like dismissing all cases. They seem reasonable people from their past comments.

They are just more skeptical and alert. They just need evidence instead of jumping right away to conclusions. This is something scientist do, and be horrible at their jobs if they didn’t, and it’s not such bad practice for common people to do also.
 

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Of this case? They are not dismissive of this or any other case. I don’t think they are or anyone else you think for that matter. You’re probably blowing this way out of proportion and imagine the extremes people will never go to, like dismissing all cases. They seem reasonable people from their past comments.

They are just more skeptical and alert. They just need evidence instead of jumping right away to conclusions. This is something scientist do, and be horrible at their jobs if they didn’t, and it’s not such bad practice for common people to do also.
I'm referring to the right-wing Coast Guard officer case. He's already in custody and they have the illegal weapons/drugs/his devices in law enforcement possession. There's not a lot of questions in this case.
 
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If I put money on every frivolous lawsuit I believe should be thrown out, I'd be broke pretty quick. It's a toss up as to whether the judge is willing to entertain this type of nonsense or not.
Awww, and here I was trying to make an easy 20 dollars. :( They're going to take WAPO to the cleaners!


Viri and Taleweaver were attempting to be dismissive of it, but I do appreciate that you and Hanafuda acknowledged it despite having right-wing viewpoints. There's always common ground to be found as long as we're all willing to acknowledge the facts in any given case, wherever they might lead.
I was NOT trying to dismiss the scumbag who tried to assassinate a bunch of people he disagreed with, because I wanted to defend him. I just found it funny that the very first thing you bring up in this topic about Jussie is something way off topic. I just simply suggested that you make another topic dedicated to the terrorist, because this thread should only talk about Jussie Smollett.

As for the terrorist, I'm happy they got him before he could do any real harm, and I hope he gets life in prison. I hope they catch everyone involved.
 
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The bigger issue I have with this is knowing that if he faked it, then it will hurt future cases. We live in a world where one fake case (especially involving someone famous,) damages trust for every similar case after it. It's not uncommon for people to react to this by deciding any future cases are more than likely faked because of this case and it will ruin the trust for future hate crime related cases.

75% of hate crimes are fake

This case is not the first and it wont be the last fake hate crime
 

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I laugh every time someone says, "Why would anyone lie about reporting a crime?"... THIS is why! People don't have to have a logical reason to do anything. Why he thought he would get a raise after reporting this is beyond me.
 
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He could face up to max of 3 for the false police report (Class 4 felony by IL state code)
but bigger problems loam as the FBI has his "hate crime letter" that was filled with threatening things and white powder (which was just crushed aspirin) and he could actually face up to a max of 20 for federal mail fraud https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-940-18-usc-section-1341-elements-mail-fraud The powder its self could bring terrorism charges as well but before all of this happens they have to prove he himself sent the letter to charge him, it's either him or the two brothers that did it and either could face those charges
 

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100% of the statistics on the internet without a source are fake.

You're right about statistics, and I think his 75% number was pulled from ass most likely. But there is a compendium site with links to sources. There are other easily accessed sources/references such as a twitter hashtag to corral such stories, but there's definitely been a lot of events like this happening.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

Most of what the site includes are instances of 'hate crimes' (ultimately proven false) as we would typically consider them. Some are relevant instances of libelous smears or threats, but not really hate crimes. Some, like links to the Covington HS story, are instances of alleged premature bias later proven false, but not really what you'd consider a hate crime. But it's a hell of a compilation.

The site does not make any representations of a ratio for fake vs. genuine hate crimes. Nor do I.

One interesting bit of data shown on the 'graphs' page of the site ... hate crime hoaxes peaked in 2016 vs. years before and since, and in 2016, they peaked in November.
 
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