3DS capture card maker Keity goes bankrupt

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Katsukeity (or Katsukity, depending on who you ask) was a well-known Japanese 3DS Capture Card maker. Supporting all models, as well as other systems (like the Wii U Gamepad and Switch), this means that soon it will be extremely difficult to obtain capture cards for systems other than the Old 3DS (which is supported by a seperate maker, Loopy). While you can no longer buy them directly, a European redistributor, Merki, still has stock, but it will not last forever.
Merki on Discord said:
Yes, this is true, He is bankrupt now. I do have some stock, I got last year stuff for around 100.000 € [~$114,000 USD] but this will last for some months.
I honestly do not plan to continue this business, it is too stressful
of course I will handle all my customers as usual - support and repair, but at a certain point I will stop selling them for good
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So, if you want one from Keity you'll have to get one now, from Merki, as Keity's site (3dsvidocapture.com) is now dead.

Loopy might be creating capture cards for other systems now, but one thing's for sure - it'll be a while before we can get new capture cards again.

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These capture cards don't look too complicated, I am sure someone could probably come up with a clone in under a week. From what I can see all they are is an FPGA and like 2 other ICs with a micro usb port. obviously the software is probably a different story

they look like they cost under $30 to make
 

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RIP. Would it be possible to solder connections directly onto the 3DS to extract the video signal, or are the pins too small to be feasible?
That's exactly what they did. But you need a "card" to translate the raw data into anything usable.



cause even the capture software is locked down with a key, which is stupid due to the uselessness of that software without the capture board
Luckily, if Loopy ever pulls through, his software is free! Not open source though, unfortunately.



"I got last year stuff for around 100.000 € [~$114,000 USD] but this will last for some months."

Wtf I never imagined these things made so much money, if he would've told me $100,000 for my excess 3DS screen capture units, I would've thought it was a scam.
Well, the price is over 500 euros for a new system with it installed, so if he got 200 of them, that's already 100,000 euros.



Wasnt this the one that people said made crappy low quality capture cards?
No. I haven't heard anything about that. Maybe you're thinking about Loopy? Apparently his aren't as good but not crappy.
 
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I wish no ill upon anyone but I have had terrible experience with them.

Received a broken PS Vita Capture card and they refused to replace/refund or even repair free of charge.
Sent in a 3DS for capture card install and after waiting 3 months I asked them to return it back to me. They refunded the cost of the capture card but never returned my 3DS. I said I am willing to pay via paypal for return costs, but they wanted me to send money into their "savings account" via bank transfer...

to this day I never received that 3ds back.

Horrible and scammy business practices.
 

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These capture cards don't look too complicated, I am sure someone could probably come up with a clone in under a week. From what I can see all they are is an FPGA and like 2 other ICs with a micro usb port. obviously the software is probably a different story

they look like they cost under $30 to make
Yeah, but the soldering is apparently pretty complex. Ever opened up a 3DS? Some of the pins are pretty damn small, some are under stuff (like the gamecart slot), and some are on the backside of the motherboard. Actually getting it to close after installing the card must be pretty hard because of all the wires. I wouldn't be surprised if a significant amount of the cost is labor.
The onboard video transcoder could also be difficult to make or obtain.
 

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Yeah, but the soldering is apparently pretty complex. Ever opened up a 3DS? Some of the pins are pretty damn small, some are under stuff (like the gamecart slot), and some are on the backside of the motherboard. Actually getting it to close after installing the card must be pretty hard because of all the wires. I wouldn't be surprised if a significant amount of the cost is labor.
The onboard video transcoder could also be difficult to make or obtain.
As far as I'm aware they just have a single ribbon cable with solder points that you lay over the system in a specific way. Of course it would be difficult to solder when prototyping a capture card but a finished capture card install doesn't seem terribly bad.
 

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It is feasible with an O3DS, there's a pinout diagram for video on 3dbrew wiki. The 3ds just sends a raw 8bpc rgb signal to the screens, so it's wouldn't require much to capture(I even a had a theory thag if could be possible to solder 8 bit DACs per colour channel and shove these three signals(along with vsync which is also present on the board) into a VGA plug and try it on a CRT monitor. While not being a capture method, it'd still be cool to play 3ds games with 0 latency on a CRT monitor). The N3DS should have the same design but there's no pinout diagram available publically on the internet(I could've figured it out on my own, but I don't have an oscilliscope, cause they're pretty dang expensive)
They make fairly cheap chips that do this, I think it does all colors and converts it. I ordered some but never did anything with them.
 

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Wait a few months and sell it for $1000
Honestly I'd just love an open source solution to convert the top screen to HDMI. I've got a lot of chips like arduino, teensy etc to work with, just never really tried. I'm sure there has to be a way for raspberry pi zero to take the color signals through gpio and display them, which would be an easy way to convert to hdmi
 
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Well, the price is over 5,000 euros for a new system with it installed
Really?
Might as well buy the official Nintendo "home console" version, an ntrboot flashcard, and convert your cias to dev keys...

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Yeah, but the soldering is apparently pretty complex.
What's surprising is that nobody made a plug and play solution (ie connected inline with the original screen)
 

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Yeah, but the soldering is apparently pretty complex. Ever opened up a 3DS? Some of the pins are pretty damn small, some are under stuff (like the gamecart slot), and some are on the backside of the motherboard. Actually getting it to close after installing the card must be pretty hard because of all the wires. I wouldn't be surprised if a significant amount of the cost is labor.
The onboard video transcoder could also be difficult to make or obtain.
Yeah I just checked, it's a single ribbon cable that you lay over the main board and solder through. The points also don't look too small. Most of the work looks like it's taking the 3DS apart and putting it back together lol
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http://optimize.ath.cx/cusb_spa3/build.html

http://video-capture.wikidot.com/nisetoro:assembling-3ds

Might be something to look in to.


They are selling capture cards for O3DS from ~$60-$90. They also have detailed information about how each capture card is put together,
http://optimize.ath.cx/shopv2_2/chuumon.html

This literally explains the entire process of assembling this, getting it to work, etc. Like it has detailed soldering guides, guides for flashing the Spartan3A, and more. Has nobody heard of this site outside of Japan before?
 
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This is sad, but not really surprising. Capture cards like this appeal to a very specific audience and that's a rather small audience at that.

Yes, not to mention the 3DS has not much life left anyway. They should have closed down once the Switch sales started to look good.
 
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Really?
Might as well buy the official Nintendo "home console" version, an ntrboot flashcard, and convert your cias to dev keys...

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What's surprising is that nobody made a plug and play solution (ie connected inline with the original screen)
Dude...the nintendo version costs >$10,000. And you need to sign an NDA, which makes it pretty much useless because you're not allowed to upload or share any video or photo of it.
 

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Dude...the nintendo version costs >$10,000.
No, it is less then 4 grand (for a fully loaded capture+debugger O3DS model)

which makes it pretty much useless because you're not allowed to upload or share any video or photo of it.
Of it (maybe... not like there isn't photos and documentation around), not of what you run on it (a restriction which is effectively unenforceable anyway)
 
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No, it is less then 4 grand (for a fully loaded capture+debugger O3DS model)


Of it (maybe... not like there isn't photos and documentation around), not of what you run on it (a restriction which is effectively unenforceable anyway)
But why would yo buy it instead of a capture card anyway?
 

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But why would yo buy it instead of a capture card anyway?
If the unofficial option was 5 grand as you said (have never seen one for that much but who can predict the free market)... the official options (whether the directly "competing" model, or the go-all-in model I just said) are cheaper, no? :)

About two years ago (last time I checked) an unofficial capture card "only" tripled the cost of an O3DS, though! :P
 

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I actually thought about buying one of these a few years ago. I did some research though and apparently, the capture cards often died after a little while and often took the actual 3DS with them to the grave.
 

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This literally explains the entire process of assembling this, getting it to work, etc. Like it has detailed soldering guides, guides for flashing the Spartan3A, and more. Has nobody heard of this site outside of Japan before?
I have but even though they explain it, not all of the parts are easy to come by and they don't ship outside japan. plus 1 of the nintendo official recently sold on ebay for over 3000 us dollars.
 
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As a customer I'm not really surprised sadly. His prices never went down I bought his vita capture card installation back in 2013 and the price was still the same years later.
Then you have many ppl with dead 3ds capture boards and that pretty much threw a red flag for anyone else from buying his installments.
 
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