Hacking Question Is there any way to safely transfer a save file from emunand to sysnand ?

Suyuu · Nov 27, 2018

I recently started to play SSBU on SX Emunand, but when the game will come out im planning to buy it and restore my clean sysnand backup to play it online.
My problem is that i don't want to start over again and I'd like to keep my save file.

Im almost sure its already possible to extract a save file with a homebrew from my emunand (as I've seen a lot of save editors already), but what about installing a save file on a clean sysnand without using a custom firmware ?
Is it possible ? Is there a PC program to explore and inject the save on my sysnand backup ? Is there a homebrew to do it from RCM ? is it safe (from nintendo ban) ?

Thanks in advance for your help

jakkal · Nov 27, 2018

Use checkpoint to export then import in your sysnand
You could get banned for using homebrew tho

It's not safe
Stop asking if running cfw and homebrew is safe

staaaaap

Kafluke · Nov 27, 2018

Possible=yes.
High likely of ban=also yes

I would also guess that you're likely to get banned anyway for running cfw and playing a game early if you go online at all.

Suyuu · Nov 27, 2018

Sorry, but it feels like you both don't understand what i'm saying...

jakkal said:
It's not safe
Stop asking if running cfw and homebrew is safe

I don't want to run a cfw, i'd just like to know if its possible to explore and edit my nandbackup on my computer (or if it exists a homebrew that start from rcm to safely inject a save ?)
CFW on sysnand is out of question here.

Kafluke said:
I would also guess that you're likely to get banned anyway for running cfw and playing a game early if you go online at all.

I don't want to play the game early, and i don't want to use a custom firmware either...
i'll play the game on my clean sysnand online with the official card i bought when it comes out
Im already playing it on my CFW right now, but i'll restore my clean sysnand to get online when i get the real game.

jakkal said:
Use checkpoint to export then import in your sysnand
You could get banned for using homebrew tho

Use checkpoint to export the save -> YES
Use checkpoint to import on my clean sysnand -> NO (because it'll need cfw and homebrew launcher to boot)

neav · Nov 27, 2018

You know you're playing a leaked game and they can trace it by your save file (date created, save logs), don't you?
You'll get ban either way unless you are very careful by changing your switch's date and all that. But still injecting save files can only be done via cfw/homebrew atm.

Ra1d · Nov 27, 2018

Not possible without homebrew.

Suyuu · Nov 27, 2018

neav said:
You know you're playing a leaked game and they can trace it by your save file (date created, save logs), don't you?
You'll get ban either way unless you are very careful by changing your switch's date and all that. But still injecting save files can only be done via cfw/homebrew atm.

Thanks, that's exactly what i wanted to know !

Kafluke · Nov 27, 2018

Suyuu said:
Thanks, that's exactly what i wanted to know !

I already told you that. You've already ran homebrew on your switch and you've already loaded up a CFW if you have emunand. That's not a Nintendo provided feature. Theres traces of that all over your switch. Not to mentioned you've already played a leaked game. Emunand or not. You're probably gonna get banned if you go online for anything. I didnt say you had to play your leaked version online.

neav · Nov 27, 2018

Kafluke said:
I already told you that. You've already ran homebrew on your switch and you've already loaded up a CFW if you have emunand. That's not a Nintendo provided feature. Theres traces of that all over your switch. Not to mentioned you've already played a leaked game. Emunand or not. You're probably gonna get banned if you go online for anything. I didnt say you had to play your leaked version online.

He's already aware of getting ban from using homebrew. He was asking if it's possible to inject/restore save outside of homebrew, something like an option in hekate maybe which is not possible atm, not sure if it will ever be.

I'm simply added that even if it exist, still other things have to consider on the save file itself as it would have all time and date on it's save logs which can show it comes from the leak game. Then there's a chance that the save file may not be compatible with the official release too.

Suyuu · Nov 27, 2018

Kafluke said:
I already told you that. You've already ran homebrew on your switch and you've already loaded up a CFW if you have emunand. That's not a Nintendo provided feature. Theres traces of that all over your switch. Not to mentioned you've already played a leaked game. Emunand or not. You're probably gonna get banned if you go online for anything. I didnt say you had to play your leaked version online.

@Kafluke : First line of my first post :
"but when the game will come out im planning to buy it and restore my clean sysnand backup to play it online."

Dude tell me, Which part don't you understand in this ?

This topic is closed anyway, I had my awnser thanks to @neav.
Its over because, If by any chance, I could safely inject my save in the clean nand (without leaving any traces), i might be banned anyway because its too suspicious to have in your switch a save file created before the release of the game.
So I'm not interested anymore in doing this, too risky

alkar · Nov 27, 2018

Probably copy the save container from user/save/ to your NAND and enjoy.

Hacdiskmount will help you do that (mount your emunand and your real nand).

Yep that was really easy,.

demonXcore · Nov 27, 2018

Just wondering - aren't there also original retail games out in the wild?
Wouldn't they get banned as well for playing online with their save game early?

Just curious, I'm not considering the fact that any homebrew might have been used.
Because if they won't be banned, then I don't think that someone can be banned for importing an early used save game. (Just by the fact that it was saved before release date)

neav · Nov 27, 2018

alkar said:
Probably copy the save container from user/save/ to your NAND and enjoy.

Hacdiskmount will help you do that (mount your emunand and your real nand).

Yep that was really easy,.

I almost forgot about hacdiskmount, can just backup your nand with the save file, copy the folder and paste it to a copy of your backup/safe nand, then restore it. A bit of a hassle but possible

demonXcore said:
Just wondering - aren't there also original retail games out in the wild?
Wouldn't they get banned as well for playing online with their save game early?

Just curious, I'm not considering the fact that any homebrew might have been used.
Because if they won't be banned, then I don't think that someone can be banned for importing an early used save game. (Just by the fact that it was saved before release date)

Yup, but in case there are other save file you would like to copy to safe nand, it's good for future reference

demonXcore · Nov 27, 2018

neav said:
Yup, but in case there are other save file you would like to copy to safe nand, it's good for future reference

Probably the safest way to go, also with Smash saves.
Of course there is no 100% safe way, we can only assume the clostest possible solution.

I was also thinking about importing my Smash save, so this might come in handy (I'm aware of the risk that comes with it).

Kafluke · Nov 27, 2018

Suyuu said:
@Kafluke : First line of my first post :
"but when the game will come out im planning to buy it and restore my clean sysnand backup to play it online."

Dude tell me, Which part don't you understand in this ?

This topic is closed anyway, I had my awnser thanks to @neav.
Its over because, If by any chance, I could safely inject my save in the clean nand (without leaving any traces), i might be banned anyway because its too suspicious to have in your switch a save file created before the release of the game.
So I'm not interested anymore in doing this, too risky

And what dont you understand is that it doesnt matter if you restore a clean nand. The best way to avoid a risk of ban is to never touch any homebrew at all. Why cant you understand what I'm saying. I'm telling you that restoring a clean nand does not 100% guarantee a ban free experience. Just read through the banning hub sticky. You asked if you would be "safe" after restoring a nand. I directly answered your question now pull your head out of your ass and actually read what I typed!

Go ahead and do as many nand restores as you want. You asked if it was safe to go online after. I told you it's not safe. Go ahead and prove me wrong. It may not be insta ban but mark my words. You'll be back crying for help on how to unban later. Please forgive me for trying to answer you in the most honest and helpful way possible. Dont worry, it wont happen again.

neav · Nov 28, 2018

Kafluke said:
And what dont you understand is that it doesnt matter if you restore a clean nand. The best way to avoid a risk of ban is to never touch any homebrew at all. Why cant you understand what I'm saying. I'm telling you that restoring a clean nand does not 100% guarantee a ban free experience. Just read through the banning hub sticky. You asked if you would be "safe" after restoring a nand. I directly answered your question now pull your head out of your ass and actually read what I typed!

Go ahead and do as many nand restores as you want. You asked if it was safe to go online after. I told you it's not safe. Go ahead and prove me wrong. It may not be insta ban but mark my words. You'll be back crying for help on how to unban later. Please forgive me for trying to answer you in the most honest and helpful way possible. Dont worry, it wont happen again.

I'm pretty sure they did something they are unaware off, thinking it was safe when they did it. I'm giving a scenario for example:

Someone bought a new Switch and doing nand backup fresh out of the box which most peeps recommend. Then he decide to buy a dongle which will take a few days to receive. While waiting, he wen't online, wen't to e-shop etc.. This will cause his Switch to send report to nintendo server. Once the Switch send the report, it'll make your old nand risky to restore since it'll lack the report that the Switch just sent causing mismatch. Maybe someone can suggest doing factory reset, buy if Nintendo can keep telemetry intact even after reset, then there will be some trace which you can't replicate on your nand backup.

I notice most peeps still going online after hacking their switch, not realizing it'll make their virgin nand backup not so safe to restore anymore since it'll lack the telemetry which had already been sent out when they went online.

But I agree if you choose to be a pirate, do it right and ban yourself, get a 2nd switch if you really want online feature. If you are aware of the risk but still decide to go online with hacked switch, then just be ready for a ban and live with it. Don't go crying asking why, even after doing nand restore.