That might work well for users who at least know a little how things work or are done. For the 0815 user it might get too complicated and mislead ideas to be safe > they just want to play (cheap).
Hacking How does SX OS Emunand work?
That might work well for users who at least know a little how things work or are done. For the 0815 user it might get too complicated and mislead ideas to be safe > they just want to play (cheap).
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To me, what you report here seems to contradict these tweets by Mike Heskin/hexkyz:
Specifically, it contradicts your part about the partition sizes being unchanged, as according to Heskins tweets, the NAND is resized.
To me, hexkyz has more credibility when it comes to this, since he provides the scripts that can be used to decrypt SX OS and as a result makes it possible to see how they approached it, but if you can provide a way to verify whether your claims hold up or not (since I have to go by your word here, and Heskin actually provides the steps/tools he used to do this).
And now for the controversial EmuNAND solution in 2.0:
— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) September 23, 2018
- Everything is handled by the bootloader which starts by mounting 3 devices: "0:" (SDCard), "1:" (EmuNAND) and "3:" (original NAND);
- The original NAND partition is shrunk to about half of it's dimension;
- Original NAND contents are copied into free space;
— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) September 23, 2018
- Two blocks (0x200 bytes and 0x1000 bytes) are written to the original NAND's CAL0 partition (at offset 0x3C0000). The 0x200 bytes block beings with the magic value "EMUNAND0".
Specifically, it contradicts your part about the partition sizes being unchanged, as according to Heskins tweets, the NAND is resized.
To me, hexkyz has more credibility when it comes to this, since he provides the scripts that can be used to decrypt SX OS and as a result makes it possible to see how they approached it, but if you can provide a way to verify whether your claims hold up or not (since I have to go by your word here, and Heskin actually provides the steps/tools he used to do this).
You misunderstood hexkyz when he said "The original NAND partition is shrunk"
Read further down in the tweets you quoted:
Small note to avoid confusion:
— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) September 23, 2018
- The original NAND partition is "shrunk" only in the sense that most of the unused space is discarded when copying it. This means the new copy will be smaller in size (around half of the original one), but the original remains unchanged.
They only "shrunk" their copy of the NAND's data, by removing the unused space.hexkyz said:
It's basically the same as XCI trimming.
This post talks about something similar (and how small it can go if you trim everything)
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It's the fact that they say the reason is to not waste SD card space that makes it seem suspicious in the first place. They should've just not said anything (or given the actual reason since it's probably more plausible than saving SD card space.)
Its being stored in the NAND, although since we're in EmuNAND, its most likely being stored within EmuNAND itself. The reason I brought up #3 is because while it is recommended to stay offline in EmuNAND at all costs, someone could easily slip and go online with EmuNAND for one second. Even deleting the Wi-Fi settings are not sufficient as the Switch has hidden Wi-Fi settings embedded in it that we know as Nintendo Hotspots. Think of SpotPass for the 3DS; once the Switch is the proximity of one of these access points, it'll connect online. Only way to remain safe in EmuNAND is to delete Wi-Fi settings and enable Airplane Mode.
Their secondary reason, that by utilizing the existing flash storage they can guarantee performance and reliability makes a lot a sence. With all the low quality media being used it could turn into crash land.
Anyway, i would rather have the option, and just use my quality samsung media to isolate the emunand from the primary drive.
Damn! the facts are strong with this one. Someone make the OP a mod this is what the community needs instead of speculations and fear mongering.
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Ah ok, So i guess this is relevant advice for all CFW. I suppose this is why they have stealth mode enabled by default?
Most likely. Remember that before EmuNAND, bogus error logs can be generated in CFW which are stored into the console and can be transmitted to Nintendo once the console goes online, OFW or not.
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Does the switch send the full batch of logs since day 1 every time its connected to the net OR does it generate generate a batch of the most recent logs to be sent off once connected to the net?
Here is but a small and not fully updated list of all of the telemetry the Switch sends whenever it is connected online. Also these are transmitted instantaneously due to the wonders of technology.
Have you ever used sx os? You can use internet on homebrew using stealth mode, no ban risk at all, no telemetry or any other info sent to nintendo, then whenever you want to go legit you restore a safe nand dump and done. Please stop spreading FUD.
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MicroSDSpeedModeRestoring a clean NAND defeats the purpose of using EmuNAND in the first place. Many people already do this with non SX-OS CFWs and have avoided a ban thus far. Not to mention that Stealth Mode is just as effective as a DNS server that redirects all Nintendo-related traffic such as 90DNS.
True but SX OS does not currently disable creport (which is funny since this is what was postulated when Stealth Mode arrived on the scene). This also doesn't stop Nintendo from scanning the USER partition in OFW for any suspicious files in a future firmware update.
Restoring nand is the old way.
Stealth mode in emunand cfw and ofw online on sysnand on one of my switches. Seems safe so far, let s give nintendo some time to react xD
The "perfect" emunand solution is to do all the nand redirection via the payload itself without modifying any nand files to the sd. Then have 2 micro sd. One for each nand. Of course idk if it's really possible but that's what I wish for.
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The thing is when they react you could be one of the first getting banned. And that risk is what not everybody is willing to take.
i appreciate posts like these, even if im on Team ReiNX
too many people rely on the 'upper echelon' of developers of the scene to tell them if something's good or not and refuse to make any decisions/research of their own. whats worse is that these developers loathe SX OS and they act like they arent biased as hell towards them - while grilling them and calling for people to stay away
SX OS is great - more CFW competition = happier end users
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too many people rely on the 'upper echelon' of developers of the scene to tell them if something's good or not and refuse to make any decisions/research of their own. whats worse is that these developers loathe SX OS and they act like they arent biased as hell towards them - while grilling them and calling for people to stay away
SX OS is great - more CFW competition = happier end users
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Are you serious? #1, have you ever tried running an emunand on a console before? It works flawlessly on the wii u and the switch OS is even less intensive than the wii u one.
#2 again no issue, as you'd never even make it as far as emunand if you had a fucked up sd card.
#3 this is homebrew, not consumer software. If you're trying to fuck with shit you shouldn't, you get bricked, and this is obviously a no-no unless you know what you're doing. This is not something the average user or even homebrew user would ever attempt to do under any circumstance.
Totally serious that these are plausible, but not confirmed (at the time of my post, though it seems I may have been partially right about #3 after all).
Yeah, I've done emunand on the wii and wii u. After it was a mature process. No idea what it was like at first. They are different consoles though, just because the wii works great with certain exploits doesn't mean you can run a quick sed changing "wii" to "switch" in your code. I'm fairly certain we'll get emunand on sd on the switch, after the developers have more time to work on it.
As for your comment on #3, SX OS doesn't appear to be marketed as a pro(sumer) item. I MIGHT agree that bans should be expected, but simply using a product as intended should not result in a brick. That's like saying a newbie buying a switch off Amazon should have known better than to buy the "recommended with this item" 3rd party dock. I know better, but I already knew of these forums before purchasing a switch. I'm not the average consumer.
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