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AI Recomping Controversy, PC Games on Switch and more (ft. Scarlet) - Tempcast #99

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If you expect a detailed discussion regarding the topics listed in the title you are going to be disappointed. This weeks episode is a vaguely threaded conversation about some of the prominent topics circulating in the past month or so, with some of our hosts forgetting that we don't record video and others showing off their absurd gaming collection, all neatly tied together by our special guest chief editor Scarlet. Join us on this purely improvisational episode as we try to make sense of what's going on.


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Jayro said:
Sorry buttercup, but we can't put pandora back in the box.
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I'm starting to wonder if you're actually an AI, this hallucination about Pandora's Box doesn't help ;).

Jayro said:
We need ai models to shift over to HBM modules so they leave PC RAM alone, and then RAM will be cheap again.
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Supply and demand is still a thing though, if fewer people used cloud AI the demand/justification for data centers also goes down and fewer data centers likely means lower silicon sales/prices.

You're also assuming that they don't just shift manufacturing over to HBM, which I wouldn't be surprised if that somehow makes things worse.
 
Foxi4 said:
Memory companies have all the incentive in the world to build out production capacity, the bigger problem here is that the memory market is cyclical and, up until 5 minutes ago in historical terms, sales were high whenever standards changed (in-between DDR/GDDR versions) and moderate when they stayed the same. Now all memory that’s manufactured is either already spoken for or sold instantly which is *unusual* for that market. This causes a cooling effect in regards to otherwise obvious and surefire investment as there’s no foreseeable timeline for how long the market will need to stabilise (if it will stabilise at all - this may be the new normal for all we know and the usual cyclical pattern will flatten out long-term). On one hand the more you produce the more you sell, on the other you don’t want to build new fabs that may end up being dormant in the future. They’re cautious to avoid over expansion which causes shortages. Market testing phases like this are a pain in the ass for all parties involved. I assure you, if memory companies had the capacity to make *more money* without the prospect of long term loss, they’d jump right to it.
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It doesn't help that all of the RAM manufacturers are in collusion to basically do a price-fixing scheme.
 
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Lop1 said:
It doesn't help that all of the RAM manufacturers are in collusion to basically do a price-fixing scheme.
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That’s what they’re being sued for, not necessarily what they’re doing. They’re private companies, they have no obligation to supply the market with anything, and it stands to reason that with limited fabrication capabilities they would focus on what sells the most, and for the most. They’re booked solid until what, end of 2027? They physically cannot produce more memory, that’s the extent of “manipulation” here.
 
Costello said:
for that sort of things, I am pretty sure the AI creates deterministic tools that will not hallucinate.
But I could be wrong? maybe someone who has done this before can confirm?
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There are 3 ways to decompile code. Byte matching, instruction matching, and non-matching. All give you source code in the end that you can manipulate or use to port games.
 
I don't understand the talk about all criminals being stupid. The world is full of smart criminals. Politicians, presidents and CEOs...

Anyway, banger episode! As always. Nice that we got some pre-show banter.
 
Foxi4 said:
That’s what they’re being sued for, not necessarily what they’re doing. They’re private companies, they have no obligation to supply the market with anything, and it stands to reason that with limited fabrication capabilities they would focus on what sells the most, and for the most. They’re booked solid until what, end of 2027? They physically cannot produce more memory, that’s the extent of “manipulation” here.
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It's hard to believe that they are not doing it, when it's not their first time. They have a pattern of behavior of doing this sort of thing.

It's true that they are not obligated to produce anything, but if they really are having under the table deals like this.......well I don't think I need to say why market manipulation and oligopoly is a bad thing.
 
skawo said:
If your goal is just to create PC port, sure. The AI can do that. It will probably eventually create a functionally-equivalent but nonsensical codebase full of fakematches (things that compile to the same binary, but are not anywhere close to what was in the original code) and without naming stuff properly.

Said codebase is effectively useless to humans afterwards (and possibly also AI, lacking context from the previous runs), because trying to understand what it does requires you to repeat the reverse engineering effort.

I mean just look at this AI Decomp of Banjo Kazooie. Does any of this code actually tell you anything about how the game works? https://gitlab.com/banjo.decomp/banjo-kazooie/-/blob/master/src/core2/code_C4B0.c

Compare with a decomp done properly:
https://github.com/zeldaret/oot/blob/main/src/code/z_collision_check.c
https://github.com/SMGCommunity/Petari/blob/master/src/Game/AreaObj/CollisionArea.cpp
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A nonsenical code can be forked using AI to be better and renamed correctly,cleanened,improved.So the point is moot.
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tech3475 said:
I'd rather have lower RAM and SSD prices myself.
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I don’t.
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Like someone said,any AI "slop" code can be cleaned and commented in minutes,improved and optimised in hours.I can bet my Arm that the flow use it too.imagine you have some repetive tasks that will takes 2 weeks of your times,but Using AI can be done in minutes,who would refuse that? As for wannabee coders that think because they learned few things on C that they can lecture AI users.I say to these wannabees,there is a 1 million context LLMs that they can never compete with.
 
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