Trump is the most corrupt US president in history

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Im sorry who are these two
Shawn is an uber MAGA online presence. No need to care more than that.

Megyn Kelly was a Fox reporter who asked Trump a difficult question in an interview, and that got her fired. Trump then went on to say she was on her period on SMS, which was super classy.

She then went to try to be a reporter without Fox while being critical of Trump, which failed miserably for her. So she ended up going back to slurp his nuts because it paid better. Now I guess she found a following to give her money by being critical of Israel like Tucker is.
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Well then. I guess the J6ers continue to get nothing, what a shame.

Although they are refusing to put it in writing, curiously. Maybe they think not doing so will make it a smaller story in the media, or maybe it's just standard lying.
But I surely do not believe that the Attorney General claiming, all of a sudden, that he doesn't see the point of putting things in writing. The original announcement got some, with plenty of all-caps for attention. Oh well
It's a start. He's also having his name removed from the JFK Memorial, which is also nice.

Still need to block him from all these other pointless things, like the arch, ballroom, and putting his ugly mug on money. Hard to keep up with his useless self-aggrandizing endeavors.
 
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Im sorry who are these two

A couple of antisemitic showbiz freakos who played the 'foxnews conservative' grift until they were pushed out of favor for their crazy joo hate, so they pivoted to the 'nevertrumper and itsdajooz' grift. Tucker Carlson went through the same transformation.

All the showbiz political pundit / TV talking head types are simply whores. They'll say anything for anyone as long as they get to be in front of a camera.
 
A couple of antisemitic showbiz freakos who played the 'foxnews conservative' grift until they were pushed out of favor for their crazy joo hate, so they pivoted to the 'nevertrumper and itsdajooz' grift. Tucker Carlson went through the same transformation.

All the showbiz political pundit / TV talking head types are simply whores. They'll say anything for anyone as long as they get to be in front of a camera.
You're right that they're both view whores, and pivoted to what they believed would get them the most views. They saw that US and world sentiment towards what was happening in the middle east was turning against Israel, so they're taking the common view. They're also being more truthful in their critiques of the Trump administration, since they have more independent from their Fox paychecks.

But please don't conflate the Jewish people with the actions of Israel. If Israel stopped killing women, children, doctors, aid workers, people waiting in food lines, stealing more land for themselves, etc, you wouldn't see this shift in public sentiment.

Unfortunately, we're in a world where any time there are peace talks, Israel escalates the bombings while grifters like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin continue to push for more war.
 
A couple of antisemitic showbiz freakos who played the 'foxnews conservative' grift until they were pushed out of favor for their crazy joo hate, so they pivoted to the 'nevertrumper and itsdajooz' grift. Tucker Carlson went through the same transformation.

All the showbiz political pundit / TV talking head types are simply whores. They'll say anything for anyone as long as they get to be in front of a camera.
No they're not "conservative", they're conservative.
 
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No they're not "conservative", they're conservative.
Really puts a magnifying glass on the crux of the issue here.

Megyn and Tucker were full-on MAGA conservatives. They agreed with him on basically everything. Then once he got himself into an unwanted war and has wasted $70 BILLION, they started pushing back. Instantly in Hanafuda's mind, they're no longer conservative. All because they pushed back against a war that the administration has outwardly said Israel got them into? Strange.

Same with Massie and MTG. They both voted with Trump over 90% of the time. Then they say they want the Epstein files released. Can't have that!!! They're RINO'S!!!!!! Only pedos and pedo protectors can be considered conservatives!

There are literal support groups out there for people who have ostracized their own friends and family to support MAGA. It's cult behavior, and it's absolutely bonkers to view from the outside.

https://leavingmaga.org
 
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Pretty bad when the ex-crackhead has a point. Is there anything there that he said which is a lie? Not one sentence. Absolute shithole country.
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Rome had gladiator fights to keep the masses happy while they were declining as an empire. Seems to fit the pattern.
 
Really puts a magnifying glass on the crux of the issue here.

Megyn and Tucker were full-on MAGA conservatives. They agreed with him on basically everything. Then once he got himself into an unwanted war and has wasted $70 BILLION, they started pushing back. Instantly in Hanafuda's mind, they're no longer conservative. All because they pushed back against a war that the administration has outwardly said Israel got them into? Strange.

Same with Massie and MTG. They both voted with Trump over 90% of the time. Then they say they want the Epstein files released. Can't have that!!! They're RINO'S!!!!!! Only pedos and pedo protectors can be considered conservatives!

There are literal support groups out there for people who have ostracized their own friends and family to support MAGA. It's cult behavior, and it's absolutely bonkers to view from the outside.

https://leavingmaga.org

I said they were "foxnews conservatives." In other words, showbiz types who bend in any direction the money blows, and they both for a while were "conservative" mouthpieces. But Tucker started at CNN. And Megyn Kelly left Foxnews to go to NBC.

These are talented, adept voices for hire. That Scott Jennings guy on CNN would do the same. These people are not, and never have been, ideologically conservative.

And neither is Trump.
 
I wrote a whole thing before I realized the doom for the anti weaponization fund came over two weeks ago. Plaintiff Trump voluntarily dismissed with prejudice https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72207870/62/trump-v-internal-revenue-service/

The craziest thing about this isn't all the obvious corruption or illegality, we've had a lot of that. It's the lagging tail of recognition. For weeks the Trump Administration crowed about an anti-weaponization fund, after it was dead, and the Court said it was dead, and that there was no settlement.

For posterity (the whole thing I wrote, unaware of the voluntary dismissal with prejudice):

Although they are refusing to put it in writing, curiously. Maybe they think not doing so will make it a smaller story in the media, or maybe it's just standard lying.
I don't think it's either, this time. I think that the decreasing number of literate members of the Trump administration internally recognized there's no way forward for the fund, that the steps taken to create it were play acting, not issuing meaningful written policy. So when Blanche was asked in the congressional hearing about how he and DoJ had 'signed earlier documents regarding the fund' whether Blanche and DoJ would now 'sign and release documents reversing the DoJ's position on the fund' he balked and gave a generic denial. He was probably already embarrassed about signing a purported settlement in a nonjusticiable case that was only going to work if they had a district judge bless it, which they obviously wouldn't.

The actual answer as to what documents will need to be signed is either (1) nothing, if the district court on its own dismisses Trump v Big Pile of Taxpayer Money or (2) the parties' motion for voluntary dismissal of it

(2) isn't something that he has approval to do yet, so he can't commit to it at the hearing and it's probably not what the questioner wanted/meant anyway.

Side note: fuck the media for making me watch a video of the hearing instead of providing a transcript. If anyone else wants to indulge:

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So this anti-weaponization fund, as proposed, was a diversion from the feds' appropriated Judgment Fund (it's uncapped 31 U.S.C. § 1304). That's obviously illegal - the feds can only use the Judgment Fund pursuant to a final court order. Under any reading of the law, they needed the federal district court to bless the "settlement" as resolving the case.

That's not what happened here.

First, lawyers qua Trump filed the case against Trump's administration claiming Trump the individual was harmed by the leak of his tax return and demanded some absurd amount of money from the Treasury as recompense. Soon thereafter, "both" sides said they were settling the lawsuit, Trump the individual would drop his claim in exchange for immunity for Trump and his kids from the IRS and the establishment of the anti-weaponization fund.

The district court essentially balked, and inquired whether it had jurisdiction or if it was just the same people on both sides of the v (it was). I'm not aware if the administration or lawyers qua Trump ever did anything further in that case. I think they acted as if they had done enough, refusing to recognize that there's not a legal, valid settlement (qualifying for the Judgment Fund) without the court's approval.

Naturally the administration was trumpeting the creation of the fund from that point, independently of reality.

Separate individuals sued to enjoin the purported anti weaponization fund and were granted preliminary relief, by a different judge in a different case. That's the pause reported in the media.

The next step in the trojan court case is for the district court to deny that it has jurisdiction and dismiss the case, which it will eventually do on its own if the parties don't move to dismiss it themselves.

Sue-and-settle is a real, shitty thing in so far as it's an end run around the law/Congress/reality. But this was a really half assed pantomime of it. You always need the court to bless a settlement, and the smartest person in the Trump administration in favor of this seems to have mistakenly thought that the district courts' admittedly low standard for settlement approval was far lower.
 
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Yeah, to the extent the case is the basis, they rise or fall together. I'm currently not even sure if the purported settlement was ever filed

Edit: it appears the outcome of this case is optimal. Even if Trump actually had a case about his tax return leak, he permanently surrendered it in exchange for nothing.

I found the purported settlement documents, which were indeed never filed with the district court, or even referenced in filings. They were just plastered on the DoJ's website.

The political result of it appears to be J6 rioters are reassured that Trump is willing to flail around to appear to care about them, and literally everyone else in the country thinks he's even more corrupt than before. Seems a bad outcome for Trump, electorally speaking.

The professional result is a bit more mixed.

Woodward can maybe not get disbarred despite signing the purported settlement approval on behalf of the DoJ. In a hypothetical bar investigation, complainers would want to show he had actual knowledge that it was invalid. His signature is dated the same day as the the district court order accepting the voluntary dismissal with prejudice (and stating there's no settlement) that I linked above. So, he probably skates.

But, uh, Blanche has one dated the day after, purportedly ordering DoJ to do the next things. https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1441216/dl

Based on a settlement agreement the district court explicitly denied.
 
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I said they were "foxnews conservatives." In other words, showbiz types who bend in any direction the money blows, and they both for a while were "conservative" mouthpieces. But Tucker started at CNN. And Megyn Kelly left Foxnews to go to NBC.

These are talented, adept voices for hire. That Scott Jennings guy on CNN would do the same. These people are not, and never have been, ideologically conservative.

And neither is Trump.
You're right in that they'll take money from any network that'll give them a check and a place to be seen, but they never started to take up left wing ideology in any way.

I don't like Tucker, but I don't think you could pay him enough to suddenly say that welfare is a good idea or abortions should be free and easily accessible to anyone.

What positions specifically do they have which don't line up with conservative ideology?
 
You're right in that they'll take money from any network that'll give them a check and a place to be seen, but they never started to take up left wing ideology in any way.

I don't like Tucker, but I don't think you could pay him enough to suddenly say that welfare is a good idea or abortions should be free and easily accessible to anyone.

What positions specifically do they have which don't line up with conservative ideology?

You're equating the things they say on air with how they think. I'm saying there's a 100% disconnect. I think you COULD pay Tucker Carlson enough and he would jump on board any position.

Just my opinion, could be wrong. Don't care much either way.
 
You're equating the things they say on air with how they think. I'm saying there's a 100% disconnect. I think you COULD pay Tucker Carlson enough and he would jump on board any position.

Just my opinion, could be wrong. Don't care much either way.
I'm even more curious now that you say there's a 100% disconnect with their on-air persona vs who they really are. Some things are definitely that, like how he feels about Trump. We saw that with those leaked messages about how he can't wait to never hear Trump's name ever again. But that has nothing about being conservative.

Just looking up the main pillars of Conservatism, these would be the main ones:
Limited government
Free-market economics
Individual responsibility
Traditional values
Strong national defense
Constitutionalism
Law and order

If we're talking about Trump, ALL of these go right out the window with multiple examples of how he shits on each and every one. If we're talking about Tucker or Megyn, I can't imagine them going against any of those principals.
 
If we're talking about Tucker or Megyn, I can't imagine them going against any of those principals.

You might be right, but like I said I really don't care. I have my opinion, but I know it's just opinion. 90+ percent of the TV I watch is Japanese, and what TV programs I watch in English are premium series like Murderbot, Stranger Things, Only Murders, etc. I haven't watched broadcast network or cable news TV for decades, largely because at some point I caught on to how it was all propaganda and thought-grooming.
 
You might be right, but like I said I really don't care. I have my opinion, but I know it's just opinion. 90+ percent of the TV I watch is Japanese, and what TV programs I watch in English are premium series like Murderbot, Stranger Things, Only Murders, etc. I haven't watched broadcast network or cable news TV for decades, largely because at some point I caught on to how it was all propaganda and thought-grooming.
Probably for the best. There are some good outlets out there, but the loudest and most bombastic are the most popular.

While we're here, any of your thoughts on the topic of the thread (Trump's non-stop corruption)?
 
Probably for the best. There are some good outlets out there, but the loudest and most bombastic are the most popular.

While we're here, any of your thoughts on the topic of the thread (Trump's non-stop corruption)?


Sure. They're all corrupt to an extent and Trump's no exception. "Most corrupt?" US Presidential history has some real doozies, so I think that's a bit hyperbolic but I'm not here to argue. Whether you like him, hate him, or you're ambivalent and just thought he was the better of bad options, this too shall pass.
 
Sure. They're all corrupt to an extent and Trump's no exception. "Most corrupt?" US Presidential history has some real doozies, so I think that's a bit hyperbolic but I'm not here to argue. Whether you like him, hate him, or you're ambivalent and just thought he was the better of bad options, this too shall pass.
At this point, to still think he was the better of bad options would be beyond disingenuous. It's impossible to go back in time to find out, but to be worse at this point after one year, Kamala would have had to have nuked the US.

But it's in no way hyperbolic to say that Trump is the most corrupt out of the total 45 unique people who have been president in history. The most serious corruption in US history that could be directly linked to a president was probably Watergate, which is quaint in comparison to what's happened over the last year. There are other scandals with previous administration members conducting in self-dealing, but never linked directly to the president.

So please, if you have examples of these "Real doozies" that can compete with the multitude of different threads of corruption that Trump has done in the last year, I'm all ears.
 

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