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Trump is the most corrupt US president in history

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Hanafuda said:
I agree, wasn't their game to play and they had no obligation. But "didn't help" is synonymous with "unhelpful."
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I'd wear the title of "unhelpful" with pride if it related to the bombing of school children.
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Hanafuda said:
I agree, wasn't their game to play and they had no obligation. But "didn't help" is synonymous with "unhelpful."
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Outside of semantics of helpfulness of an uninvolved country in an illegal war, do you have any opinions about the open corruption mentioned?

Or is your opinion the same as Cramer's here:
 
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Trump's DoJ, led by Trump's personal lawyer, settles Trump's lawsuit to prevent Trump's taxes from ever being inspected, retroactively, also giving billions to Trump's allies.

In another universe, far away, Evil Obama did this and I can hear the screaming from here.
 
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Sir Tortoise said:
Trump's DoJ, led by Trump's personal lawyer, settles Trump's lawsuit to prevent Trump's taxes from ever being inspected, retroactively, also giving billions to Trump's allies.

In another universe, far away, Evil Obama did this and I can hear the screaming from here.
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It really has come down to "What if" situations now. Whatabout-ism's can't come into play for this level of corruption. There has never been a president openly buying stocks, then pumping the stocks with tweets and making nearly 700 million dollars.

At this point the bootlickers can either begrudgingly say that they regret supporting such an openly corrupt criminal, or they can double down and say "Yeah, he's doing it because he's so smart and strong! He beat the law!", further chiseling away at their morality and humanity.

Or, the third weak-ass option as they have continually done to this day: Ignore and hope it blows over. It's not going away. He's robbing the treasury and openly manipulating markets. He will continue to do so for the remainder of the time he is in power.

Which option is it, @Cylent1 @Hanafuda @Foxi4 @urherenow ?
 
titan_tim said:
It really has come down to "What if" situations now. Whatabout-ism's can't come into play for this level of corruption. There has never been a president openly buying stocks, then pumping the stocks with tweets and making nearly 700 million dollars.

At this point the bootlickers can either begrudgingly say that they regret supporting such an openly corrupt criminal, or they can double down and say "Yeah, he's doing it because he's so smart and strong! He beat the law!", further chiseling away at their morality and humanity.

Or, the third weak-ass option as they have continually done to this day: Ignore and hope it blows over. It's not going away. He's robbing the treasury and openly manipulating markets. He will continue to do so for the remainder of the time he is in power.

Which option is it, @Cylent1 @Hanafuda @Foxi4 @urherenow ?
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He filed a lawsuit and won, evidently.
 
Foxi4 said:
He filed a lawsuit and won, evidently.
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I didn't ask about his corrupt methods of using his personal lawyer running the DOJ to settle a frivolous lawsuit to pay himself taxpayer money.

I asked for your thoughts on the matter. Also, don't forget about the stock buying and blatant market manipulation.
 
titan_tim said:
I didn't ask about his corrupt methods of using his personal lawyer running the DOJ to settle a frivolous lawsuit to pay himself taxpayer money.

I asked for your thoughts on the matter. Also, don't forget about the stock buying and blatant market manipulation.
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I’m a bad person to ask, I’m not a fan of the tax man. As for stock manipulation, however the trade comission wishes to define it, investment carries risk. You’re a random person on the Internet and you believe he’s manipulated the market, investors have access to the same information and should calculate their risk independently.
 
Foxi4 said:
He filed a lawsuit and won, evidently.
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Not really, he basically sued himself for something that happened during his presidency.The lawsuit would most likely been thrown out or at least delayed until he wasn't president, since there was the problem that there were no 2 sides while Trump was president. Then he basically settled with himself, to circumvent the court, but the cherry on top is that it's not him that's paying but the taxpayers.

Honestly, at best this all is extremely sketchy and most likely illegal.
 
titan_tim said:
It really has come down to "What if" situations now. Whatabout-ism's can't come into play for this level of corruption. There has never been a president openly buying stocks, then pumping the stocks with tweets and making nearly 700 million dollars.
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All the poiliticians do this, look at the Clintons and Pelosi as prime examples. The there was the Biden's dodgy dealings and pardons...... Unless everyone is held to the same standards nobody is going to care about this.
 
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Foxi4 said:
I’m a bad person to ask, I’m not a fan of the tax man.
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Well, nobody really is. Unless you have a way of paying zero taxes then your money is going to the slush fund.
Foxi4 said:
As for stock manipulation, however the trade comission wishes to define it, investment carries risk. You’re a random person on the Internet and you believe he’s manipulated the market, investors have access to the same information and should calculate their risk independently.
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You can't possibly be comparing random people investing have access to the same information or ability.

He literally buys stocks of companies that the government is making deals with behind closed doors, then announces that the deal to give them billions of dollars in a tweet. For Palantir, he literally tweeted out the stock name in his comment! Normal people can't do that in any way.
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All the poiliticians do this, look at the Clintons and Pelosi as prime examples. The there was the Biden's dodgy dealings and pardons...... Unless everyone is held to the same standards nobody is going to care about this.
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Huge false equivalence. There is no time in US history that a president, who has power to move stocks with a single tweet, has bought stocks with the intention to manipulate the market. Never even once. Buying stocks when you hear about a merger is also illegal insider trading, but the tweets are in a whole different class of corruption and blatant illegality.
 
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Well, nobody really is. Unless you have a way of paying zero taxes then your money is going to the slush fund.

You can't possibly be comparing random people investing have access to the same information or ability.

He literally buys stocks of companies that the government is making deals with behind closed doors, then announces that the deal to give them billions of dollars in a tweet. For Palantir, he literally tweeted out the stock name in his comment! Normal people can't do that in any way.
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Huge false equivalence. There is no time in US history that a president, who has power to move stocks with a single tweet, has bought stocks with the intention to manipulate the market. Never even once. Buying stocks when you hear about a merger is also illegal insider trading, but the tweets are in a whole different class of corruption and blatant illegality.
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Why were you not crying about this when Pelosi was doing it! I know why and so does everyone else.... I've yet to see any outrage on here about the fraud going on with Tim Waltz and ilhan omar, I guess some people just have selective outrage depending on their political agenda.
 
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AmeliaFox said:
Why were you not crying about this when Pelosi was doing it! I know why and so does everyone else.... I've yet to see any outrage on here about the fraud going on with Tim Waltz and ilhan omar, I guess some people just have selective outrage depending on their political agenda.
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Again, false equivalence. Market manipulation is on a whole different level of illegality than insider trading. The president has the ability to manipulate the market more than any other human on this earth, and he is doing it every day in front of your face.

On top of that, I'm ALL FOR blocking politicians from buying stocks. Any any left-winger if they're ok with it, and they'll unanimously say no. The democrats put forward a bill to have that done. It was voted down by EVERY GOP MEMBER. So the will is there, but the weakest link prevailed.

At this point, Pelosi's criminality with insider trading is pretty well known. I'm totally fine with her getting arrested. Tim Walz I haven't heard anything about that. Is there evidence of it at all? Or just right-wing chatter? With Omar I also haven't heard anything about insider trading. There's some accusations of her rich husband not disclosing something, but there is nothing happening there.
 
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AmeliaFox said:
All the poiliticians do this, look at the Clintons and Pelosi as prime examples. The there was the Biden's dodgy dealings and pardons...... Unless everyone is held to the same standards nobody is going to care about this.
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Who gives a fuck? Trump is a continuation of the wider issue of Corporations buying politicians. With Trump, he literally engaging in market manipulation by having financial interests and using the presidency to push that financial interest. This shit is illegal in any normal country and would be challenged but the GOP are letting everything burn mode.
 
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Really? The "counter arguments" are just whataboutism, false equivalency, and "Taxes bad 🤬"

Right wingers here are a joke.
 
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SeltzerMist said:
Really? The "counter arguments" are just whataboutism, false equivalency, and "Taxes bad 🤬"

Right wingers here are a joke.
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Don't forget weakly trying to say that he "won" the lawsuit where he controls the head of the DOJ who suddenly decided to settle the suit (bypassing any real judgements) and then giving himself $1.8 billion.

Todd Blanche also refused to say that none of the money would be going to a Jan 6er who was caught molesting two children. So that's an odd hill to die on. Epstein should have waited to un-alive himself a little longer. Seems the GOP would welcome him as a hero at this point.
 
titan_tim said:
Don't forget <snip> where he controls the head of the DOJ who suddenly decided to settle the suit (bypassing any real judgements) and then giving himself $1.8 billion.

Todd Blanche also refused to say that none of the money would be going to a Jan 6er who was caught molesting two children. So that's an odd hill to die on. Epstein should have waited to un-alive himself a little longer. Seems the GOP would welcome him as a hero at this point.
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Don't forget also that Todd Blanche was Trump's own criminal defense attorney, who defended him on a bunch of pretty important cases (see block below). I'd say it is pretty safe to say that, even though he is the head of the DOJ, he isn't working for the best interests of the American people...he's working in the best interests of his #1 client:

Todd Blanche's Defense Cases for Donald Trump​

Todd Blanche has represented Donald Trump in several high-profile legal cases. Below is a summary of the key cases:

Key Cases​

Case NameDescriptionStatus
New York Hush Money CaseTrump faced 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to hush money payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.Convicted
Federal Classified DocumentsThis case involved allegations that Trump mishandled classified documents after leaving office.Ongoing
Election ObstructionBlanche defended Trump against charges related to attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.Ongoing
 
Citizen_404 said:
Don't forget also that Todd Blanche was Trump's own criminal defense attorney, who defended him on a bunch of pretty important cases (see block below). I'd say it is pretty safe to say that, even though he is the head of the DOJ, he isn't working for the best interests of the American people...he's working in the best interests of his #1 client:

Todd Blanche's Defense Cases for Donald Trump​

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Yep, he's also the one who got Maxwell moved to Club Fed prison. Where she is treated like royalty, and any other inmate that complains is moved to a much worse one. Forgot about that extra level of corruption. It never ends.
 
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He might be, I don't follow US politics closely (if there's a rumor he's about to die or he fucked some kids I'll read for a while, nothing happens though).

Anyway, as an outsider looking at this farce it seems they all were corrupt... All bought by the same interest groups no matter their political allegiance (which you have two, one more than dictatorships).

I think the worst was Obama, because people just love the guy, but he was George W in black face... A lot more intelligent, more charismatic and a way WAY better speaker, but it was the same guy, with the same politics. He wasn't worse than Trump, but Trump isn't liked by anyone anywhere (outside the US), Obama is.
 
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