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Since its almost impossible to comment anywhere about Star Wars without getting banned or censored I figured Gbatemp would be a good place for a fun discussion. The mods here don't go to the extreme and ban people for having opinions.

I am a huge Star Wars fan and Shadow Maul so far after 4 episodes has bucked the trend of almost all the gripes I have with Disney Star Wars.


The number one thing that it proves to me is that Star Wars should abandon live action and focus on animation only. Its the only way they can actually make Star Wars feel like Star Wars because of the ballooning costs of making quality live action. If Shadow Maul was live action every 20minute episode would have cost hundred million dollars to do the set work, costume design, and pay everyone to be involved. If you look at Star Wars live action they always put in way too many human characters because the costs associated with properly outfitting and making the alien species look real. So live action under disney hasn't looked like real star wars imo.

The pacing is incredible and just couldnt be done in live action form because they wouldn't create the background sets for a 1-2minute scene and be able to put so many droids in to the scenes. Even though we have the technology to show robots and other cool Star Wars technology in live action the costs are just so immense that they limit how many robots they use. Ships and other tech become a slow crawl filler story in live action so they can get the money out of their investments. Its all about the money and payback when its live action.

Animation seems to give the freedom of expression without the associated costs that leave Star Wars fans looking at the end result and wishing for more because Disney has to make so many cuts to fit the budget for live action.

What are your thoughts? Are you even watching Shadow Maul? if not id highly recommend it.
 
Lostbhoy said:
I haven't watched Maul yet but hearing real good things. Gonna jump in when they all released tho.
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theres still 3 more weeks of 2episode drops until they are all released. a binge watch should be incredible. i cant speak to where the show goes or how it ends but so far there isnt the filler feeling to any of the first 4 episodes and a binge watch wont have you getting tired of watching episodes where you need breaks of time in between because of boring filler. if it stays at this pace i plan on doing a complete binge watch once its all finished even though im watching it week to week. its that good
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
Since its almost impossible to comment anywhere about Star Wars without getting banned or censored I figured Gbatemp would be a good place for a fun discussion. The mods here don't go to the extreme and ban people for having opinions.

Animation seems to give the freedom of expression without the associated costs that leave Star Wars fans looking at the end result and wishing for more because Disney has to make so many cuts to fit the budget for live action.
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First of all, reddit =/= anywhere used as everywhere, it's gone to complete shit past 2 years. Facebook doesn't care.

Beauty of any animation is just that - complete freedom to draw whatever you want that does indeed take a mere fraction of what a live set would cost. Now with CG and AI though, you'd think it should cost even less to do CG stuff.

Maul show is alright, but I still want to see Disney get the balls to do a proper darker story without trying too hard to kidify it with Disney Channel Original vibes that the CG CW show was super-saturated with.
 
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Skv0ra said:
First of all, reddit =/= anywhere used as everywhere, it's gone to complete shit past 2 years. Facebook doesn't care.

Beauty of any animation is just that - complete freedom to draw whatever you want that does indeed take a mere fraction of what a live set would cost. Now with CG and AI though, you'd think it should cost even less to do CG stuff.

Maul show is alright, but I still want to see Disney get the balls to do a proper darker story without trying too hard to kidify it with Disney Channel Original vibes that the CG CW show was super-saturated with.
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Really need a proper Vader show.
 
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Lostbhoy said:
Really need a proper Vader show.
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Really need, to adapt most of Dark Horse comic stories and both please 4 decades worth of fans as well as actually hook new kids onto SW universe having some depth.

Disney era got us, Aphra, but Aphra in NO way in hell comes even remotely close to Legacy, Republic, and Knights of Old Republic.
 
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Skv0ra said:
Really need, to adapt most of Dark Horse comic stories and both please 4 decades worth of fans as well as actually hook new kids onto SW universe having some depth.

Disney era got us, Aphra, but Aphra in NO way in hell comes even remotely close to Legacy, Republic, and Knights of Old Republic.
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The dark horse comics were some of the best of the expanded universe. The Crimson Empire trilogy was one of my favorites. Disney is too politically correct to ever touch anything dark horse related.

Dark Horse understood the concept that not the entire universe is good and that in order to purvey evil in a realistic light you have to show some of the vulgarity and bad nature in an depth way. The good doesnt always win the battle but they would win the war in alot of the dark house stuff. Disney wont ever show a battle where the dark side wins. About as dark as we got was when Kylo killed his own father which was one of the most emotional parts of the garbage ST. Because how some people reacted they had to pull the fake chewie death where he dies you get somewhat emotional and then less then 10minutes later theres chewie. After a single watch you never can get the emotional attachment to the chewie death because it is so short lived.

They even made Boba fett into some nice guy who doesnt have his own cut throat rules which goes against everything that was ever established about Boba before hand. He wasnt necesarry evil but his cut throat rules took him to execute missions for whoever would pay the most money which was the majority of the time the dark side or criminal regimes. He hated the Jedi for killing his father Jango but somehow is okay with grogu even though he was with Luke and was on the Jedi path. Its just utter nonsense what disney has done to focus on portraying the way of the force.

Your a real star wars fan I can tell but i dont think we real star wars fans will ever get back to what star wars was back in the Lucas era.
 
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I should have waited until deeper in the season before giving Shadow Maul its praise. There is only one more week to go with this first season. Sadly they have ruined Darth Mauls character arc imo. The first season is pretty much pointless and the best parts are in the first couple episodes just seeing Maul do some simple things that feel great at the time but the story doesn't lift off or develop in any meaningful way.

They actually do alot to destroy the image of Maul during what is supposed to be the prime of his character arc trying to tie other things into the story line from other already failed Star Wars disney content. I don't want to spoil it so I won't go into exact details but they never should have made this show imo. If you havent seen Star Wars Rebels and now watch this in timeline order it will ruin some of the best parts of Star Wars Rebels.

Dave Filoni is a complete hack and might be worse than Kathleen Kennedy. He thinks he's as smart as George Lucas but anything he has touched that George Lucas didnt oversee him and provide him with the background ideas has been complete garbage.

I think this might have been the final straw for me in being a huge Star Wars fan where sadly all I can do is live in the past if I want to enjoy Star Wars.
 
Was there not a lightsaber shaped like a holy cross or something ?

I am not too well versed in Star Wars. But friends taught me the Star Trek greeting thing !
 
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aoimatsuri said:
Was there not a lightsaber shaped like a holy cross or something ?

I am not too well versed in Star Wars. But friends taught me the Star Trek greeting thing !
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The lightsaber that was shaped like a holy cross is Kylo Ren's light saber. One of the coolest things for me about Star Wars is that I went to gradeschool/high school with Adam Driver

I was a huge star wars fan my whole life so when he got the job as Kylo Ren it was so cool but that was shortlived couple years. He still has a passion for Star Wars but hates the people in charge of Star Wars as much as I do.
 
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the season is complete and id say if you have any love for star wars watch it. best thing disney has done under the star wars era imo. I dont want to spoil it but the final 2 episodes of the season bring a fight scene that you all have been wanting to see for decades. it doesnt disappoint. the mid-season filler episodes where i got kinda down on the show are were totally reclaimed by the final 2 episodes.

10/10

happy force day everyone. they finally did something that i could watch 100x over and still get enjoyment out of it.
 
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AndorfRequissa said:
the season is complete and id say if you have any love for star wars watch it. best thing disney has done under the star wars era imo. I dont want to spoil it but the final 2 episodes of the season bring a fight scene that you all have been wanting to see for decades. it doesnt disappoint. the mid-season filler episodes where i got kinda down on the show are were totally reclaimed by the final 2 episodes.

10/10

happy force day everyone. they finally did something that i could watch 100x over and still get enjoyment out of it.
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Though I personally hate how they plot-armor it, but that's a minor tidbit.

Aphra managed to down Vader using extensive and big trap since it wasn't a power struggle, but maul is just nowhere near Annie especially now that he has insane cybernetic armor on his side. In Shadow Maul - Vader absolutely could've sent the debris right at Maul or force choked both him and Devon. Maul really only has more combat experience than Annie, but he never had nearly as much raw force power plus being much, much more past his prime.
 
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Skv0ra said:
Though I personally hate how they plot-armor it, but that's a minor tidbit.

Aphra managed to down Vader using extensive and big trap since it wasn't a power struggle, but maul is just nowhere near Annie especially now that he has insane cybernetic armor on his side. In Shadow Maul - Vader absolutely could've sent the debris right at Maul or force choked both him and Devon. Maul really only has more combat experience than Annie, but he never had nearly as much raw force power plus being much, much more past his prime.
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yeah theres plot armor throughout the entire show so they can keep it going. andor and rogue one was probably the only star wars content that didnt overextend the plot armor. ashoka was the show that bothered me most with the plot armor. thrawn standing around talking out his strategies to the point he gave up all the intel just to be heard by the viewer, the nightsisters sitting around and watching the worthless character morgan fighting ahsoka and doing nothing to give the good guys the edge, and on and on.

the part that i enjoyed the most was how effortless vader made it when he was fighting all 3 of them with one hand on saber and the other hand to do force moves if he needed to. that was very nicely choreographed. but all the bricks and rocks used as plot armor was just as bad as the kenobi tv show where vader just lets kenobi get away when there is a little fire in between them.

i really don't like the part the inquisitors play in any of the star wars shows. thats my biggest gripe. vader would not have worked with them and killed them because they defy the rule of two. the inquisitors playing a part in working with imperial troopers and the leadership is even worse. it goes against all the dialogue of the OT where vader is getting grift from imperial command about the force being an ancient relic.

theres alot to not like when you get into the details but the fight scene was epic. devon becoming darth talon only fits if they totally retcon the sequel trilogy. that would be a glorious thing because the knights of ren and the entire premise of the ST doesnt fit at all with the PT and OT.
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AndorfRequissa said:
if they totally retcon the sequel trilogy. that would be a glorious thing because the knights of ren and the entire premise of the ST doesnt fit at all with the PT and OT
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That would be the ultimate redemption the mouse isn't capable of since they literally shoved all of the great stories in characters into "legends" to pave way for their new Disney princess like SW didn't already have a perfect, main, literal princess of a character.

My headcanon will forever be with Dark Horse SW.
 
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Skv0ra said:
That would be the ultimate redemption the mouse isn't capable of since they literally shoved all of the great stories in characters into "legends" to pave way for their new Disney princess like SW didn't already have a perfect, main, literal princess of a character.

My headcanon will forever be with Dark Horse SW.
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there is an easy way to fix the issue ST where they technically dont retcon it but can show an alternate reality where the ST doesnt exist to retell a better story. Ahsoka being the gatekeeper of the world between worlds. season 2 her going up against the mother and having the mother send ashoka into the world between worlds and fracturing time. technically it could cause them to relive the OT too which if done properly would be interesting. with the last scene of baylen going to the mortis statue that is pointing to the mother. they could bring back hayden and give vader a redeeming arc that again if done properly could be interesting. hard to do with the loss of ray stevenson. baylen even if he is a major part of season 2 will just feel off without him

its highly doubtful though like your saying becuase the mouse wants to play everything safe and work off cookie cutting the best of the expanded universe into a weaker version.

mara jade and alot of the better parts of the expanded universe that they seemed to cut out could be retold in a more accurate and compelling way if thrawn and ahsoka could be pushed into a compelling story arc. I'd love to see vader turn back to the light side in an earlier form to protect a younger luke against a menacing thrawn. emila clarke has even aged enough that qira could become a menacing dark side character in this fractured universe that world between worlds could create.

one could only dream.
 
It's rather baffling why they went with live-action for Ahsoka in the first place considering it is a continuation of the Rebels animation.
 
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