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Leftist society is a fantasy. How are you supposed to stop a select few from "rising to the top". There's going to be people who are healthier, more charismatic, harder working, etc.
By decentralizing their power. This is like, leftism 101. It's why you'd have people elect their leaders in a workplace rather than be held to the whims of out of touch marketing divisions and investors, or outside actors who just view everything as an investment, even if it's basic living necessities.
 

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Leftist society is a fantasy. How are you supposed to stop a select few from "rising to the top". There's going to be people who are healthier, more charismatic, harder working, etc.

It's only a fantasy because it's suggested that an institution needs to guide/rule people; which already seeds corruption over time.

People need to be able to do this on their own for it to actually be real. I think it is possible that humanity could learn this, but I don't know how, exactly, that would happen.
 

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People like Trump and Musk have never done an honest day's work in their entire lives.

What do you mean by this? I'm sure both of them work very hard, maybe every day. They could very well believe in what they are working for.
 

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What do you mean by this? I'm sure both of them work very hard, maybe every day. They could very well believe in what they are working for.
They were born rich, they'll die rich. Their parents paid their way through to good grades in college. Musk bought an already established company and then retroactively called himself a "founder" of that company. His seed money came from apartheid South African emerald mines, slave labor. Trump is a "real estate mogul," which requires no skills whatsoever except having enough money to fail multiple times with poor investments, which he did. He literally would've been more successful by simply sticking the money his dad gave him in a savings account and letting it accrue interest.

Even playing "undercover boss" for a day would be too much for either of them, especially in a menial job like cashiering at McDonald's or cleaning toilets as a janitor.
 

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It's why you'd have people elect their leaders in a workplace rather than be held to the whims of out of touch marketing divisions and investors, or outside actors who just view everything as an investment, even if it's basic living necessities.

If people could propose and conduct elections without corruption, or accusations of such, they wouldn't need an election in the first place.
 

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They were born rich, they'll die rich. Their parents paid their way through to good grades in college. Musk bought an already established company and then retroactively called himself a "founder" of that company. His seed money came from apartheid South African emerald mines, slave labor. Trump is a "real estate mogul," which requires no skills whatsoever except having enough money to fail multiple times with poor investments, which he did. He literally would've been more successful by simply sticking the money his dad gave him in a savings account and letting it accrue interest.

Even playing "undercover boss" for a day would be too much for either of them, especially in a menial job like cashiering at McDonald's or cleaning toilets as a janitor.

You say all that, but I know little about the person saying that. My immediate impression is that you are jealous, and do not know these people personally, and that makes you sad.
 

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Dishonest work is not easy. The elite walk a tightrope every day to avoid a solid enough morsel slipping through to pin against them.

You and Xzi are at odds with each other. Is the outcome the only thing that matters, blaming rich people for your problems?

It doesn't seem like there is any hope for people if the fact that people having money exists means that you cannot be satisfied.
 

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You and Xzi are at odds with each other. Is the outcome the only thing that matters, blaming rich people for your problems?

It doesn't seem like there is any hope for people if the fact that people having money exists means that you cannot be satisfied.
So you are saying money is evil.
 

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You say all that, but I know little about the person saying that. My immediate impression is that you are jealous, and do not know these people personally, and that makes you sad.
There's no point in jealousy over being born extremely wealthy. It's as random as the lottery. My parents are loving and supportive, and always worked hard to provide me more than they had as kids, which resulted in me being a happy and well-adjusted adult. I don't advocate for myself as much as I advocate for the people who never had all the advantages that I did.

As far as "not knowing billionaires personally," I've met my fair share of narcisstic sociopaths. They aren't people you want to stay close to for long.
 

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So you are saying money is evil.

If you were paying attention to what I said, it is that money can be used as a tool for "good" or "evil". I am challenging those who believe people who have money to being pre-disposed to evil deeds.

As far as "not knowing billionaires personally," I've met my fair share of narcisstic sociopaths. They aren't people you want to stay close to for long.

So far, this hasn't been a discussion about narcissistic sociopaths. What we did cover was that you believe that all billionaires are narcissistic sociopaths. Why?
 

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If you were paying attention to what I said, it is that money can be used as a tool for "good" or "evil". I am challenging those who believe people who have money to being pre-disposed to evil deeds.



So far, this hasn't been a discussion about narcissistic sociopaths. What we did cover was that you believe that all billionaires are narcissistic sociopaths. Why?
So you are saying that some people are evil and they shouldn't have money.
Who are they and are you on the team that decides... or is this more of a community decision.
 

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You and Xzi are at odds with each other. Is the outcome the only thing that matters, blaming rich people for your problems?

It doesn't seem like there is any hope for people if the fact that people having money exists means that you cannot be satisfied.

Don't lump me in with whoever you're talking about. Most rich people spend their money on fancy cars, houses, or other status symbols, rather than purposeful villainy.
 

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Don't lump me in with whoever you're talking about. Most rich people spend their money on fancy cars, houses, or other status symbols, rather than purposeful villainy.
That you're aware of. Look how upset people got about Mayor The Joker's 0.5% secret lair tax which was earmarked to provide free college education at GCU to Gotham City residents.
 
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An interesting thought. What would someone unhinged like Joker do to keep up appearances of public approval?
Have you not watched the Harley Quinn show? He's a reformed family man now trying to be a loving husband and supportive father to his stepson. He only becomes unhinged in battles with that bitch PTA president Kathy.
 

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