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It's not that abstract. Trump supporters, they're the right. Far-right, to be precise.
Someone was just arguing that Biden is Right, and that "the left" have no real representation. Where do you stand on that?

Yet another non-objection from Tabzer. Wish the people who get so mad at my posts were able to articulate why (beyond me being a minority) lmfao

So mad, lmao. What makes you a minority?
 

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Someone was just arguing that Biden is Right, and that "the left" have no real representation. Where do you stand on that?
Biden is center-right, along with the Democratic party establishment. It's a correct assertion that the left has no real representation, at least on the national level. Local chapters of the DSA is the best we have.
 

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Biden is center-right, along with the Democratic party establishment. It's a correct assertion that the left has no real representation, at least on the national level. Local chapters of the DSA is the best we have.

So America is Right, and the Left are the minority?
 

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Biden is center-right, along with the Democratic party establishment. It's a correct assertion that the left has no real representation, at least on the national level. Local chapters of the DSA is the best we have.
To add to this, both parties in the US are some form of right, with the republicans being far right and going even further as time goes on. That said however, lack of party representation does not mean that ideas are unpopular, it means that the two party system doesn't work.
 

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To add to this, both parties in the US are some form of right, with the republicans being far right and going even further as time goes on. That said however, lack of party representation does not mean that ideas are unpopular, it means that the two party system doesn't work.

Everyone knows that. But you still vote for it. Is that what makes you the minority here?
 

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So America is Right, and the left are the minority?
The overton window in the US has shifted pretty far to the right, yes. The vast majority of citizens used to support strong social programs and social safety nets, as well as a high tax rate on the wealthy. Back when growth of the middle class was at its peak.
 

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Pressure to tilt to the right is inevitable, the 1% aren't going to give up their wealth.
Correct, which is why the tragedy is that we allowed billionaires to come into existence in the first place, when being a multimillionaire is already more than enough to live a comfortable life and provide for a very large family. The only reason to hoard billions of dollars like a dragon on a pile of gold is to gain influence over the system, and thus gain influence over people completely unrelated to you. So it is that we drift ever closer to authoritarian oligarchy with each passing day.
 
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Correct, which is why the tragedy is that we allowed billionaires to come into existence in the first place, when being a multimillionaire is already more than enough to live a comfortable life and provide for a very large family. The only reason to hoard billions of dollars like a dragon on a pile of gold is to gain influence over the system, and thus gain influence over people completely unrelated to you.

But if the system is broken, and ruled by billionaires, someone might try to fight them by becoming a billionaire themselves?

One-upping each other is consistent in our nature.
 

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Correct, which is why the tragedy is that we allowed billionaires to come into existence in the first place, when being a multimillionaire is already more than enough to live a comfortable life and provide for a very large family. The only reason to hoard billions of dollars like a dragon on a pile of gold is to gain influence over the system, and thus gain influence over people completely unrelated to you. So it is that we drift ever closer to authoritarian oligarchy with each passing day.
Yeah, that's the nature of our system, it's built in such a way that the 1% pull all the strings and ensure their power is never challenged, unless you come from someone who's rich already. That's why we need a new system from the ground up, because the status quo doesn't work and we should quit trying to affirm something so fictional.
 

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But if the system is broken, and ruled by billionaires, someone might try to fight them by becoming a billionaire themselves?

One-upping each other is consistent in our nature.
Why would billionaires fight against their own interests on behalf of the working class, though? When you have such obscene amounts of money, you start to see everybody less wealthy as nothing but ants or pawns, playthings. Money may or may not be the root of all evil, but it certainly enables evil on a much larger scale than would otherwise be possible.
 

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To add to this, both parties in the US are some form of right, with the republicans being far right and going even further as time goes on. That said however, lack of party representation does not mean that ideas are unpopular, it means that the two party system doesn't work.

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Why would billionaires fight against their own interests on behalf of the working class, though? When you have such obscene amounts of money, you start to see everybody less wealthy as nothing but ants or pawns, playthings. Money may or may not be the root of all evil, but it certainly enables evil on a much larger scale than would otherwise be possible.

Leftist society is a fantasy. How are you supposed to stop a select few from "rising to the top". There's going to be people who are healthier, more charismatic, harder working, etc.
 

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Why would billionaires fight against their own interests on behalf of the working class, though? When you have such obscene amounts of money, you start to see everybody less wealthy as nothing but ants or pawns, playthings. Money may or may not be the root of all evil, but it certainly enables evil on a much larger scale than would otherwise be possible.

You are right that money does enable evil on larger scales, but you aren't speaking on the alternative. What if someone became a billionaire because their interest was in fighting on behalf of a better future (not just working class, but every person)?

That's why we need a new system from the ground up, because the status quo doesn't work and we should quit trying to affirm something so fictional.

Walk the talk.
 

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Leftist society is a fantasy. How are you supposed to stop a select few from "rising to the top". There's going to be people who are healthier, more charismatic, harder working, etc.
What you're talking about is a meritocracy, which capitalism most assuredly is not. Instead, where you start from is a 99% accurate predictor of where you'll end up. People like Trump and Musk have never done an honest day's work in their entire lives. Leftist ideals would bring us much closer to a meritocracy, wherein every individual is the beneficiary of the fruits of their own labor, rather than having lazy CEOs leech millions of dollars per hour off the backs of those underneath them.
 

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