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The Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinfo.
Broken record. If Hunter Biden did something criminal, let him be charged. I'm not holding my breath however, as we know all of Trump's kids (save perhaps Barron) are guilty of crimes and they haven't been charged yet. This is America after all, if you're rich enough the law doesn't apply.
 

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Broken record. If Hunter Biden did something criminal, let him be charged. I'm not holding my breath however, as we know all of Trump's kids (save perhaps Barron) are guilty of crimes and they haven't been charged yet. This is America after all, if you're rich enough the law doesn't apply.
Even worse than broken record, it's completely pointless, as it's tax related, not corruption or you know, serious sh*t.
 

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Broken record. If Hunter Biden did something criminal, let him be charged. I'm not holding my breath however, as we know all of Trump's kids (save perhaps Barron) are guilty of crimes and they haven't been charged yet. This is America after all, if you're rich enough the law doesn't apply.
Even worse than broken record, it's completely pointless, as it's tax related, not corruption or you know, serious sh*t.
"That never happened"
`Here's proof tho`
"WOW MAN BROKEN RECORD. THATS NOT IMPORTANT. LOOK AT TRUMP'S TAXES THO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAPITAL GAINS TAX IS"

show me your funkos
 

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Ahem... Is it okay if i ask a more political question? You don't have to answer if you don't want

It's about the cities Luhansk and Donetsk. As a foreigner I hadn't heard about them until they were used as excuse for Russia to invade. They claim its to liberate the oppressed population front (i forgot the name). From my understanding, Zelensky's government considers this group terrorists, or at the very least not representing the general opinion of the area. But at the same time the regions are... Semi independent,somehow?

*sigh* i don't want to excuse Russia in any way, but i also try to understand their motivations. Other aspects are bullshit (like that denazification), but this i find curious. Hence the question :
How were these cities portrayed in local news before this war began?


That's so terrible to hear. :(
I know it's not much comfort, but the far majority of people are looking out for you. Things are certainly bad now, but it won't last. Things will go back to normal somehow.

I hope
I will try to answer quickly and briefly the motive of Russia's attack on Ukraine is an attempt to reunite the USSR. The Russian president is 70 years old, he has the power, he has a lot of money. And lastly, he wanted to try to make history this way.
I will be honest, I was 9 years old when the fighting began in 2014 and I didn't understand anything. They just drove into our territory and claimed it was theirs now. All these years they were arguing about whose Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk belonged to them, and then Zelensky came along and started not only talking but also doing something. That democratic elections would take place in these cities, etc. And Russian citizens have only one thought in their heads: "They are Nazis, fascists and Putin is our everything".
Also, in 2014, Putin had good friends in the form of the President of Ukraine (Yanukovich) and Belarus (Lukashenko). So in Ukraine, the people were stronger than the government and overthrew it at the cost of thousands of deaths. There is a song that describes it all very well, enter Yarmak "22" on YouTube and turn on the subtitles. So in Ukraine we just defeated it all in 2014, in Belarus they tried somehow, but it didn't work out, and in Russia they didn't even try.
I don't know much about politics, but Putin's goal is to recreate the USSR and for him it's like a game: either he wins and he's on the gun or the end.
 
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Ahem... Is it okay if i ask a more political question? You don't have to answer if you don't want

It's about the cities Luhansk and Donetsk. As a foreigner I hadn't heard about them until they were used as excuse for Russia to invade. They claim its to liberate the oppressed population front (i forgot the name). From my understanding, Zelensky's government considers this group terrorists, or at the very least not representing the general opinion of the area. But at the same time the regions are... Semi independent,somehow?

*sigh* i don't want to excuse Russia in any way, but i also try to understand their motivations. Other aspects are bullshit (like that denazification), but this i find curious. Hence the question :
How were these cities portrayed in local news before this war began?


That's so terrible to hear. :(
I know it's not much comfort, but the far majority of people are looking out for you. Things are certainly bad now, but it won't last. Things will go back to normal somehow.

I hope
Yes, now everyone helps us and the government and ordinary people for that we are very grateful!!!!
We will win and everything will come back to our dreams! Cлава Україні!
 
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Time segment on Azov Batallion from 2021.


Clip from the Colbert Report w/Gideon Rose (Foreign Affairs) discussing the US/NATO Ukraine strategy under Obama in 2014, during the Maidan coup. What's that the media is saying about it not being US/UK/NATO's fault?
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Mariupol survivor stories. Held hostage by Azov battallion.



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Fox News and RT? Are you being serious?
 
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I know that you misunderstand what has been going on for the last 8 years.
You're right, the Azov battalion was just a figment of my imagination. It must be nice to live in such a black and white world, personally I find it difficult to ignore the nuance.
 

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You're right, the Azov battalion was just a figment of my imagination. It must be nice to live in such a black and white world, personally I find it difficult to ignore the nuance.
You have ignored the nuance and are living in a black and white world.

You would sue someone for hurting your hand when you punched them in the face.

There are bad people everywhere, that is not what defines a "side".

You need to work on your nuance.

I don't know much about politics, but Putin's goal is to recreate the USSR and for him it's like a game: either he wins and he's on the gun or the end.

Well I guess we ought to prepare for the end, though I am not convinced that he would survive an attempt at launching a nuke. He is only in power because he is useful to the people around him, he is no longer useful once the nukes start dropping on Russia.

US moved to defcon 3 on March 1st.

ROUND HOUSE
Increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness
Air Force ready to mobilize in 15 minutes

Game theory shows we should be thinking of moving to defcon 2 soon.

https://newlinesmag.com/argument/why-putin-is-playing-poker-not-chess/
 
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Any actual arguments or just more irrelevant waffle?
What is there to argue with?

I ignore irrelevant whataboutism's, so all I hear from you is blah blah blah

Come back to me when you have something worth discussing. Or don't, I am not bothered.
 

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What is there to argue with?

I ignore irrelevant whataboutism's, so all I hear from you is blah blah blah

Come back to me when you have something worth discussing. Or don't, I am not bothered.
Yeah, I didn't think so. I get it, it's easier to run away than try to argue for extreme right wing murder squads. Or maybe it's just more convenient to pretend they didn't exist.
 

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Yeah, I didn't think so. I get it, it's easier to run away than try to argue for extreme right wing murder squads. Or maybe it's just more convenient to pretend they didn't exist.
I get it, it's easier to label them an extreme right wing murder squad. Maybe it's just more convenient than making any relevant points.

The Azov trash will be an issue in the future. PUTIN is a far worse issue right now, and he's hellbent on genociding Ukraine.
If anything, any wrong doing by Azov (if it exists) is going to go unpunished because of Putin. He doesn't even care about it. Putin may even have had soldiers infiltrate it for false flags.

It's certainly within his normal tactics. So get rid of Putin & anyone like him and then we will have a better idea about what is true or not.
 

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The Azov trash will be an issue in the future. PUTIN is a far worse issue right now, and he's hellbent on genociding Ukraine.
again you do know the AZOv "Nazi" were a militia less then 900. When Russia attacked Ukriane in 2014, Normal Ukrainains joined AZOV, as they were the local Militia, to fight Russia, At that point alot of AZOV "NAZI" were killed in 2014 but Normal UKrianians that kept join out numbered the NAZI...
and After 2/25 it Tripled members again.. (WITH NORMAL UKRAINIANS)

This war was never about a "900"NAZI militia as Russia Currently has a 100,000 NAZI militia (RNU). but PUTINS longing for the USSR.
 

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again you do know the AZOv "Nazi" were a militia less then 900. When Russia attacked Ukriane in 2014, Normal Ukrainains joined AZOV, as they were the local Militia, to fight Russia, At that point alot of AZOV "NAZI" were killed in 2014 but Normal UKrianians that kept join out numbered the NAZI...
and After 2/25 it Tripled members again.. (WITH NORMAL UKRAINIANS)

This war was never about a "900"NAZI militia as Russia Currently has a 100,000 NAZI militia (RNU). but PUTINS longing for the USSR.

That's actually my point. An actual Nazi stats is more worrisome than a couple hundred nazis.
 

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Ah yes, Socialists don't like declaring war

Once again, a reason why socialism is the future. I'd never trust anyone who would be willing to open the 3rd World War, or first Nuclear World War, unless literally any other option had been exhausted. And the fact that you're trying (but failing) to score political points exploiting the warm bodies of Ukrainians is... concerning
 

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Once again, a reason why socialism is the future. I'd never trust anyone who would be willing to open the 3rd World War, or first Nuclear World War. And the fact that you're trying (but failing) to score political points exploiting the warm bodies of Ukrainians is... concerning
Socialists are delinquents and genocides. Go read every post I've shared here, thorough our Country and others about it.
WWII and URSS, and as I see now WWIII caused by the same group. (China + Russia)
 
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