Homebrew [RELEASE] Tiramisu Environment | Free CBHC

[vbarros22]

1. The channels (HBL and stuff like the retroarch forwarder) have their own exploits embedded that may interfer with Tiramisu and cause unpredictable issues. Its just coincidence that this works at all, which doesn't mean running the channel with Tiramisu doesn't introduce undefined behaviour that could cause crashes etc. Any update of the Exploit chain (e.g. CustomRPXLoader, EnvironmentLoader) could easily break these channels completly. Homebrews shouldn't care about any exploits and especially never run any exploits themselves. It's just really unpredictable

I was having problems launching homebrew via HLB Channel so I have to uninstall the app that I got from Haxchi (after CBHC)
that was not clear for me but now everything is working fine

 

[PrincessLillie]

Again, you can totally launch .elf homebrew in Tiramisu. You just need to remove the module from your SD card that launched the homebrew loader when you launch Mii Maker. You can still keep and use the separate homebrew loader channel which is what you want to do anyway.

I'm aware of this, but like Maschell said it could cause undesirable side-effects. My CBHC setup works perfectly fine and does everything I need, so I'll stay with it unless it starts giving me issues, at which point I'll reluctantly switch to Tiramisu or Aroma.

We have a side project that is created to port all homebrew to rpx some have been done lots haven't but it is something we have been aware of since aroma began.

This is reassuring to hear and I wish you luck!

 

[ArgoRV]

One small Third Party Bug:
Once you run Spiik
The entry to HBL through the Mii Maker is disabled.

 

[toxic9]

It looks like this is just the PayloadLoaderPayload inside the apps folder? I wouldn't recommend it. This payload is designed to run on a clean system. If it works, it's pure luck. The "offical way" to run it is via a "payload.elf"-loader, any other methods may lead to undefined behaviour and are not recommended.

Thanks for the reply.
The browser method requires online connection and a website hosting the exploit.
If people have their own exploit installed (haxchi, not cbhc) I'm just using it to run your payload...

 

[mattdog1000000]

Follow wiiu.hacks.guide

If you use CBHC, uninstall it correctly with the installer (otherwise you brick your console). If you use the regular haxchi (without coldboothax), delete the ds vc title in the system settings. After that, follow the guide.

Based on his previous post, I believe he already has tiramisu installed and is wondering how to update it to the latest (nightly) version.

 

[BaamAlex]

Based on his previous post, I believe he already has tiramisu installed and is wondering how to update it to the latest (nightly) version.

Just download the latest version (click on "Download all") and replace the old files with the new ones.

 

[droople]

Follow wiiu.hacks.guide

If you use CBHC, uninstall it correctly with the installer (otherwise you brick your console). If you use the regular haxchi (without coldboothax), delete the ds vc title in the system settings. After that, follow the guide.

Thanks mate.
I mean how to update the tiramisu.

 

[Windi]

Thanks mate.
I mean how to update the tiramisu.

Once you have Tiramisu installed, simply overwrite the files on the SD Card with the new ones. You get the new files from the link in the first post. There is no need to do anything else, all required files will be read from your SD Card

 

[AQS]

We have a side project that is created to port all homebrew to rpx some have been done lots haven't but it is something we have been aware of since aroma began.

The general rule in our circles is channels are not the desired method.. but people will create and use them regardless

Just curious, would this include a port of "WiiU2HBC" ?

 

[Maschell]

Just curious, would this include a port of "WiiU2HBC" ?

There is a solution for this since early 2021: https://github.com/WiiDatabase/Boot2vWii

 

[MikaDubbz]

I'm aware of this, but like Maschell said it could cause undesirable side-effects. My CBHC setup works perfectly fine and does everything I need, so I'll stay with it unless it starts giving me issues, at which point I'll reluctantly switch to Tiramisu or Aroma.

This is reassuring to hear and I wish you luck!

Well I can tell you that I've had no side effects, and I have an elaborate setup to say the least with themes, a custom wara wara plaza, and many .elf homebrew, a few installed as channels. I understand that since Maschell isn't using .elf homebrew that he isn't aware of what issues they may cause in the new environments, but I can tell you my setup works just as great as when I was on CBHC, with the added benefit of the return of the QuickStart menu. And I too was hesitant to make the upgrade, but in the end it was definitely a move for the better .

 

[NinStar]

1. The channels (HBL and stuff like the retroarch forwarder) have their own exploits embedded that may interfer with Tiramisu and cause unpredictable issues. Its just coincidence that this works at all, which doesn't mean running the channel with Tiramisu doesn't introduce undefined behaviour that could cause crashes etc. Any update of the Exploit chain (e.g. CustomRPXLoader, EnvironmentLoader) could easily break these channels completly. Homebrews shouldn't care about any exploits and especially never run any exploits themselves. It's just really unpredictable
2. Updating them is.. annoying. I am a big fan of having everything on the sd card instead of installing it onto the console. Updating/replacing files on the sd card is muuch eaiser than rolling out new versions of these channels
3. In future environments like Aroma these channel will definitely break but are still installed on the console. So instead of loosing access to the HBL via the Mii Maker (which is kinda expected when removing the HBL_Installer.rpx from the environment) these channel crash your console and you have no idea why.
4. Tiramisu doesn't even allow you to run custom channels. For this you need third party module that I can't control, so it's probably not the greatest idea to rely on them.

So... I think we could call this a reason for people to stick with Haxchi/CBHC? Because I wasn't expecting that, I didn't had any problem using my custom channels/forwarders with Tiramisu so far, but if you say it's unpredictable then I don't know what could happen in the future, custom channels are one of the most convenient things that ever happened to the Wii U.

 

[godreborn]

I made a few changes to my wii u including adding in those widescreen config files to brain age (now all my ds games use them) and installing a homebrew launcher install with pro controller and elf support. I figured it might be worth having a separate homebrew launcher in case I wanted to use elf files in tiramisu.

 

[Maschell]

So... I think we could call this a reason for people to stick with Haxchi/CBHC? Because I wasn't expecting that, I didn't had any problem using my custom channels/forwarders with Tiramisu so far, but if you say it's unpredictable then I don't know what could happen in the future, custom channels are one of the most convenient things that ever happened to the Wii U.

It's only unpredictable if the channels do non-userland stuff (e.g. running their own exploits like the Homebrew Launcher or RetroArch Channel).

(Installed) channels in genernal will be obsolete with Aroma, because of the new ".wuhb" fileformat. There will be a plugin to launch homebrew from the wii u menu => this allows you to have (fake) channels without actually installing them. "Installing" and updating can be done by (re)placing one file on the sd card

 

[V10lator]

sorry to disappoint you...bloopair is the only app which is optimized for tiramisu atm.

As a homebrew dev who tuned his homebrew for Tiramisu I call this a lie.

Does everyone get the lines issue or just some people? If its the latter I wonder why?

Everyone. I might be completely wrong but AFAIK it's some exploit using VMEM (MEM1) to pass data between PPC and IOSU. This exploit is used by Haxchi and Mocha, too, but has been extended for Tiramisu/Aroma and now leaks into the framebuffer, so you see the data it passes through VMEM. Nothing to worry about through.

 

[BaamAlex]

As a homebrew dev who tuned his homebrew for Tiramisu I call this a lie.

Why?

 

[godreborn]

Why?

think he means that he's optimized his app to work with tiramisu as well.

 

[BaamAlex]

think he means that he's optimized his app to work with tiramisu as well.

I meant bloopair as a module at startup. Nusspli works fine. But I think my statement is right.

 

[Dragon91Nippon]

It's only unpredictable if the channels do non-userland stuff (e.g. running their own exploits like the Homebrew Launcher or RetroArch Channel).

(Installed) channels in genernal will be obsolete with Aroma, because of the new ".wuhb" fileformat. There will be a plugin to launch homebrew from the wii u menu => this allows you to have (fake) channels without actually installing them. "Installing" and updating can be done by (re)placing one file on the sd card

No offense but I think this is a horrible system, mostly because the Wii U has a Limit of 300 maximum titles on the home screen.

 

[Dragon91Nippon]

4. Tiramisu doesn't even allow you to run custom channels. For this you need third party module that I can't control, so it's probably not the greatest idea to rely on them.

Called it, he's against signature patches