The daily mail claims the N-word was found in emails on Hunter Biden's laptop

[smf]

And at worst, at least current, crossing the boarder is a civil misdomenier. Not even a criminal charge.

Are you sure it's not criminal....

I tried to look it up, but the handy table in the library of congress seems to omit the USA https://www.loc.gov/law/help/illegal-entry/chart.php

 

[Ryab]

Just kinda curious how they make this Trump's fault.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-casual-conversation-text-messages-show.html


More likely cnnabccbsnbcnytwapo just act like they don't know about it. amirite?

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See I classify as independent. But in recent years I have been more supportive of the left side. Though they do still have things I disagree with. In my opinion both sides have flaws it just comes down to me voting for whoever I think will be a better leader. Whilst I don't agree with Hunter Biden using the N word I will say that I find it a little ridiculous that they have to make such a big deal about it.

 

[Tigran]

Are you sure it's not criminal....

I tried to look it up, but the handy table in the library of congress seems to omit the USA https://www.loc.gov/law/help/illegal-entry/chart.php

I won't deny i could easily be misremembering, but I do belive it was stated to be civil.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

See I classify as independent. But in recent years I have been more supportive of the left side. Though they do still have things I disagree with. In my opinion both sides have flaws it just comes down to me voting for whoever I think will be a better leader. Whilst I don't agree with Hunter Biden using the N word I will say that I find it a little ridiculous that they have to make such a big deal about it.

I also classify myself as an Independent, but I find I align more to the right. I too will vote for whomever seems best for the job regardless of their party.

I won't deny i could easily be misremembering, but I do belive it was stated to be civil.

Regardless if it's a civil violation or a criminal violation it doesn't say much about the adults whose first action in our country is to break the law. You realize the ones that get caught simply claim asylum because that's what their told to do if they get caught as they had no intention on claiming it otherwise. They are breaking the law by trespassing and then they go on to work without paying all sorts of taxes and many get on welfare (at least in California). Then there's the ones that are trafficking in weapons, drugs, women and children and those who also go on to rape and murder US citizens. I'm not sure why you're defending these sorts of people.

 

[Hanafuda]

See I classify as independent. But in recent years I have been more supportive of the left side. Though they do still have things I disagree with. In my opinion both sides have flaws it just comes down to me voting for whoever I think will be a better leader. Whilst I don't agree with Hunter Biden using the N word I will say that I find it a little ridiculous that they have to make such a big deal about it.

For some people, they sure make a big deal about it. Public shaming. Futures destroyed. Careers ruined. Maybe deserved, maybe not. But for multimillionaire lifetime-privileged asshole son of THE top Democrat, it's a little ridiculous that they have to make such a big deal about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.html

https://nypost.com/2021/05/15/profe...for-reading-racial-slur-from-mark-twain-book/

 

[vincentx77]

For some people, they sure make a big deal about it. Public shaming. Futures destroyed. Careers ruined. Maybe deserved, maybe not. But for multimillionaire lifetime-privileged asshole son of THE top Democrat, it's a little ridiculous that they have to make such a big deal about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.html

https://nypost.com/2021/05/15/profe...for-reading-racial-slur-from-mark-twain-book/

In the two links provided, there was actual proof that those people used inappropriate slurs. The only proof against Hunter Biden is an article written by a British tabloid claiming evidence found from a laptop of dubious origin. A laptop, might I add, that was held by a Republican Trump supporter before he cloned the hard drive and then turned the laptop over to the FBI. These are the same FBI who never found anything on said laptop. The Daily Mail makes no mention of how they acquired this information. This story should not be reported by any news outlet until it can be verified.

 

[Jacobh]

I won't deny i could easily be misremembering, but I do belive it was stated to be civil.

I’ll avoid opining on whether the laws are good or bad and the overall political situation since I’m not going to change anyone’s opinion and this is a gaming board. I can point you and Jonhathon Baxster to the laws on border crossings and asylum processes to inform your discussion.

Illegally entering the country is criminal and can also have civil penalties attached. First time violations are usually misdemeanors (probably what you are thinking) and the max prison sentence is 6 months. Multiple or aggravated offenses can be felonies.

Illegal entry can include entering somewhere that is not a legal border check point or lying to border crossing agents to gain entry:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8 section:1325 edition:prelim)

Claiming asylum is not a magic way to stay in the country. Illegal entry does not prevent claiming asylum, but claims need to be made within one year of entry. The United States does not provide legal representation and the majority of asylum claims are denied. Successful defensive asylum claims (what seems to be discussed here) were about 10,000 per year under Obama, but actually went up under the Trump administration to over 18,000 in 2019. The Trump administration made it harder to apply for asylum in 2020, but I don’t have the numbers on how that affected claims. You can still be deported before your asylum case has been resolved. Many of the countries people are claiming asylum from are not Central or South America as many people believe. China and India are one and three respectively (El Salvador is 2).

I think this is the latest report: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...ics/yearbook/2019/refugee_and_asylee_2019.pdf

 

[Costello]

I have updated the thread title to remain more factual / neutral - I don't want gbatemp to become one of those places.

I think we may have to make it a rule for this forum - so everyone has to respect it, left and right if you see what I mean.

For reference, the previous title was:
"so what's the Democrats' dismissal for Hunter B using the "N" word over and over and over?"

 

[Deleted member 559230]

I’ll avoid opining on whether the laws are good or bad and the overall political situation since I’m not going to change anyone’s opinion and this is a gaming board. I can point you and Jonhathon Baxster to the laws on border crossings and asylum processes to inform your discussion.

Illegally entering the country is criminal and can also have civil penalties attached. First time violations are usually misdemeanors (probably what you are thinking) and the max prison sentence is 6 months. Multiple or aggravated offenses can be felonies.

Illegal entry can include entering somewhere that is not a legal border check point or lying to border crossing agents to gain entry:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8 section:1325 editionrelim)

Claiming asylum is not a magic way to stay in the country. Illegal entry does not prevent claiming asylum, but claims need to be made within one year of entry. The United States does not provide legal representation and the majority of asylum claims are denied. Successful defensive asylum claims (what seems to be discussed here) were about 10,000 per year under Obama, but actually went up under the Trump administration to over 18,000 in 2019. The Trump administration made it harder to apply for asylum in 2020, but I don’t have the numbers on how that affected claims. You can still be deported before your asylum case has been resolved. Many of the countries people are claiming asylum from are not Central or South America as many people believe. China and India are one and three respectively (El Salvador is 2).

I think this is the latest report: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...ics/yearbook/2019/refugee_and_asylee_2019.pdf

Thank you very much. The reason a lot of asylum claims are denied is due to the fact that immigrants situation don't warrant granting asylum. Asylum has specific criteria and getting caught sneaking into the USA isn't a valid reason to seek it out.

 

[Darth Meteos]

I have updated the thread title to remain more factual / neutral - I don't want gbatemp to become one of those places.

Please capitalize Daily Mail. I hate looking at it like this.

 

[Xzi]

Please capitalize Daily Mail. I hate looking at it like this.

Nah they don't deserve capitalization.

 

[Jacobh]

Thank you very much. The reason a lot of asylum claims are denied is due to the fact that immigrants situation don't warrant granting asylum. Asylum has specific criteria and getting caught sneaking into the USA isn't a valid reason to seek it out.

It is true that illegal entry isn’t a reason for asylum to be granted. It is also true there are specific tests that have to be met to be granted asylum.

I’m not clear if you are suggesting the majority of people caught being in the country illegally are falsely claiming asylum. I don’t think that is correct. Historically the majority of asylum cases are not illegal entry and most people caught being here illegally never claim asylum.

In the context of illegal entry and asylum, the change the Trump administration made in 2020 was to prevent people from making asylum claims on the southern border. This was called the MPP (migrant protection program). It created a situation where the only way people from Central America could claim asylum was to illegally enter the country. This was not the stated purpose of the MPP, but it was an obvious outcome.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

It is true that illegal entry isn’t a reason for asylum to be granted. It is also true there are specific tests that have to be met to be granted asylum.

I’m not clear if you are suggesting the majority of people caught being in the country illegally are falsely claiming asylum. I don’t think that is correct. Historically the majority of asylum cases are not illegal entry and most people caught being here illegally never claim asylum.

In the context of illegal entry and asylum, the change the Trump administration made in 2020 was to prevent people from making asylum claims on the southern border. This was called the MPP (migrant protection program). It created a situation where the only way people from Central America could claim asylum was to illegally enter the country. This was not the stated purpose of the MPP, but it was an obvious outcome.

We have detention centers that are over capacity filled with men and women that have crossed the border illegally and are now seeking asylum. To me it would seem that it's a popular thing to do if you get caught entering into the USA illegally. We have stories in the local news once or twice a week about hundreds of illegals being caught, applying for asylum and then being released into our local communities. I've never heard of the MPP, but I doubt that legal asylum was not possible any longer, well, that is up until COVID-19 hit. I'll read up on it. Thanks for the info.

 

[Deleted User]

The Native Americans have gone through Centuries of Trial and Error in instilling Racial Dignity within their People, more so because their resulting Residences in Modern United States did not provide much of that.

So here are their Lessons Learnt:

• They do not like to be called by another Continent just because some half-wit Italian can't read the right side of a World Map.
• They also do not like to be called by Colour, just because Naturally-Pink Caucasians think of themselves as White, the holiest of Colours in their Religion, and everyone else is a shade below.

Asian Americans are on the same page, but because of the backwards movement of taking power from insults that permeated the African American community, we have people who think it's cool to use either to define their own Race and persist in insulting themselves in the process.

If there was more Unity, and Indigenous Leadership on a National Scale, then there might be change where News like this Post is dealt with swifter, without letting it age like Milk in the Court of Public Opinion.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

It is true that illegal entry isn’t a reason for asylum to be granted. It is also true there are specific tests that have to be met to be granted asylum.

I’m not clear if you are suggesting the majority of people caught being in the country illegally are falsely claiming asylum. I don’t think that is correct. Historically the majority of asylum cases are not illegal entry and most people caught being here illegally never claim asylum.

In the context of illegal entry and asylum, the change the Trump administration made in 2020 was to prevent people from making asylum claims on the southern border. This was called the MPP (migrant protection program). It created a situation where the only way people from Central America could claim asylum was to illegally enter the country. This was not the stated purpose of the MPP, but it was an obvious outcome.

Okay, I read a little until I realized it was the "stay in Mexico and wait for your hearing" laws that were passed last year. I didn't have a problem with it in 2020 and still don't. I also had no problem with the border being closed to immigrants due to COVID-19, which is one of the things the dumb Liberals called Trump racist for. So he didn't do anything to combat COVID-19, did he? LOL. Dumb Liberals.

 

[smf]

Regardless if it's a civil violation or a criminal violation it doesn't say much about the adults whose first action in our country is to break the law.

That is a rather idiotic point to make.

We could pass a law that makes conception illegal and then everyone gets treated the same.

Everyone would then be subject to a law that they didn't get to vote for.

Okay, I read a little until I realized it was the "stay in Mexico and wait for your hearing" laws that were passed last year. I didn't have a problem with it in 2020 and still don't. I also had no problem with the border being closed to immigrants due to COVID-19, which is one of the things the dumb Liberals called Trump racist for. So he didn't do anything to combat COVID-19, did he? LOL. Dumb Liberals.

The problem is that Trump appealed to the racists for their support before covid. He doesn't get a free ride just because covid comes along and makes his daft policies turn into good ones.

Of course the border should be closed during covid, but then Trump shot himself in the foot by calling it the china virus.

Dumb Trump, dumb Trump supporters. It will always be so, they can't even understand the arguments made against Trump.

It's why Trump lost and why Trump and his supporters can't accept that he lost.

I think we can all agree that republicans are dumber than liberals....

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...-theory-vaccines-turns-you-into-a-magnet.html

You need to be dumb to be a republican, so you believe all this shit.

For any republicans, I have $1,000,000 sitting in a bank account and all I need is $50 processing fee to release it to you.....

 

[Jacobh]

Okay, I read a little until I realized it was the "stay in Mexico and wait for your hearing" laws that were passed last year. I didn't have a problem with it in 2020 and still don't. I also had no problem with the border being closed to immigrants due to COVID-19, which is one of the things the dumb Liberals called Trump racist for. So he didn't do anything to combat COVID-19, did he? LOL. Dumb Liberals.

I misspoke, the policy I was talking about is called “metering”. It limits how many people can apply for asylum at a border crossing and pre-dates Trump. The number was lowered earlier during the Trump admin, but what happened in 2020 is they stopped processing the queue entirely thus preventing all new claims (and those of people still in line). The MPP was started at a similar time, but is for those that already made claims as you said.

Applying for asylum after entering the country illegally is a legal way to apply for asylum. You may not think it’s a good law, but it is the law. When the queue of applying at a border crossing was shut down it became the only way.

If you have information on how many people in detention are applying for asylum I’d be interested. The numbers from asylum cases I’ve seen are a few years old when there were fewer total people being detained. and the total number of people in detention. My understanding is that a lot of people are entitled to deportation hearings even if they are not claiming asylum.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

If you have information on how many people in detention are applying for asylum I’d be interested. The numbers from asylum cases I’ve seen are a few years old when there were fewer total people being detained. and the total number of people in detention. My understanding is that a lot of people are entitled to deportation hearings even if they are not claiming asylum.

Sorry, I don't have any data related to how many people in the detention centers or those that have been caught and released that have applied for asylum. Like I said it's in the news here at least twice a week, but they don't release totals (at least not in the news). It's usually about how a large group (around 20-200) immigrants got caught, claimed asylum and were detained for a little bit and released into our local community (or simply detained). I do live on the border of the USA and Mexico so that's why it's in our local news a lot.

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That is a rather idiotic point to make.

We could pass a law that makes conception illegal and then everyone gets treated the same.

Everyone would then be subject to a law that they didn't get to vote for.



The problem is that Trump appealed to the racists for their support before covid. He doesn't get a free ride just because covid comes along and makes his daft policies turn into good ones.

Of course the border should be closed during covid, but then Trump shot himself in the foot by calling it the china virus.

Dumb Trump, dumb Trump supporters. It will always be so, they can't even understand the arguments made against Trump.

It's why Trump lost and why Trump and his supporters can't accept that he lost.

I think we can all agree that republicans are dumber than liberals....

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...-theory-vaccines-turns-you-into-a-magnet.html

You need to be dumb to be a republican, so you believe all this shit.

For any republicans, I have $1,000,000 sitting in a bank account and all I need is $50 processing fee to release it to you.....

The entire world's media called COVID-19 the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus for months before they all decided not to. If you're going to blame Trump then you also need to blame them, but like, the virus was discovered and started to spread in Wuhan, China so calling it the China Virus or what have you would be accurate and truthful. Again, this entire leftist obsession with what they call racism is just simply shit they don't like.

You're also focusing too much on a minority of the right as there's plenty of idiots on the left too. Look at how they blamed Trump for everything they perceived to be bad or wrong. Like the man was a God or something.

 

[Seliph]

How could Obama do this

 

[AmandaRose]

The entire world's media called COVID-19 the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus for months before they all decided not to. If you're going to blame Trump then you also need to blame them, but like, the virus was discovered and started to spread in Wuhan, China so calling it the China Virus or what have you would be accurate and truthful. Again, this entire leftist obsession with what they call racism is just simply shit they don't like.

That's utter bullshit not once did British TV or indeed any British newspaper call it anything other than COVID 19/Coronavirus so your claim about all the world's media calling it China virus/Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus is totally fake.