Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[KingVamp]

It's not going to pass the Senate, so who cares. The only scenario in which this vote farming strategy succeeds is if the Democrats change the rules yet again. Is it stands, it's nothing more than a "look, we're totally doing things" waste of time.

Well, people seem to care enough to make nonsensical arguments and comments against it.

There are arguments that since statehood is under "article 4", it can't be filibustered even with current rules.

 

[Foxi4]

Well, people seem to care enough to make nonsensical arguments and comments against it.

There are arguments that since statehood is under "article 4", it can't be filibustered even with current rules.

People care about it because it's a cynical power grab sold under the guise of fighting for civil rights.

 

[tabzer]

You shouldn't judge all black people for anything that any individual or organisation does, you're thinking in racist terms too now.

I didn't do that and you should be smart enough to know better.

His view is that he is surprised that black people want to stop being murdered, because of all the murdering black people do. He seems to be perfectly happy with the police murdering black people.

That is an obvious mischaracterization. The fact is that there are bigger issues than just the police if "black lives matter".

The BLM movement and "black people who don't want to be murdered" are two entirely different things.

The BLM "movement" is centralized and capitalized on by pseudo-marxists who are preying on the ignorance of supposedly well intentioned people. That's why I say it's a scam. I did not speak on behalf of "black people". For a movement brand that wants to encourage the health of "its own" demographic, it's disingenuous to ignore troubling statistics that exposes large issues affecting said demographic, and it's even worse to call the statistics racist.

You seem unable to comprehend that both black lives matter, but also black people can still kill black people. White people murder other white people, are you saying that white lives don't matter?

Maybe you should stop assuming everyone who has an opposing point of view from yours is a racist. If white people murdered white people at alarming rates and wanted to stick it to the police, I would also see that as a strong argument supporting more law enforcement.

 

[smf]

I didn't do that and you should be smart enough to know better.

You did do that, by bringing the irrelevant BLM organisation into the discussion.

You obviously don't know better.

That is an obvious mischaracterization. The fact is that there are bigger issues than just the police if "black lives matter".

We're not talking about any bigger issues. We're talking about whether it's reasonable for black people to want police to stop killing them or not, he says it's unreasonable.

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).

The BLM "movement" is centralized and capitalized on by pseudo-marxists who are preying on the ignorance of supposedly well intentioned people. That's why I say it's a scam. I did not speak on behalf of "black people". For a movement brand that wants to encourage the health of "its own" demographic, it's disingenuous to ignore troubling statistics that exposes large issues affecting said demographic, and it's even worse to call the statistics racist.

Right, you're trying to derail the conversation with irrelevant talk about the BLM movement. What has that got to do with whether it's reasonable or not for the police to kill black people?

Maybe you should stop assuming everyone who has an opposing point of view from yours is a racist.

Maybe you should stop assuming that everyone who accuses you of racist thinking is wrong. I don't call everyone with an opposing view a racist, only when you are being racist.

If white people murdered white people at alarming rates and wanted to stick it to the police, I would also see that as a strong argument supporting more law enforcement.

What do you mean "stick it to the police"? I'm talking about if white people started murdering more white people then should the police be allowed to murder random white people who act funny or allegedly use a fake note? As his argument was it's fine for the police to murder random black people

You are very disingenuous with your reply & you know it. All this acrobats to pretend you are not advocating racist view points is hilarious.

For avoidance of doubt, this statement is 100% racist.

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).

If you support it then you are supporting a racist statement, it is saying that you can punish all black people due to the crimes of a minority of black people.

Maybe I'm giving you too much credit to be able to understand why it's racist, I guess you have to be pretty dumb to be racist in the first place.

 

[Foxi4]

I don't know why people are so opposed to the idea that the organisation's finances are highly suspect when one of the founders openly admits on tape that buying real estate for her family is her idea of enriching the black community. I quote:

"I think that is a critique that is wanting, and I say that because the way that I live my life is in direct support to Black people, including my Black family members, first and foremost (...) For so many Black folks who are able to invest in themselves and their community, they choose to invest in their family, and that's what I have chosen to do."

Over the course of the last few years Patrisse Cullors purchased two smaller properties in LA, a 3.2 acre property in Georgia and recently a $1.4m compound in LA. Her current housing portfolio is worth in excess of $3m, and presumably it will keep growing. There's internal conflict over this within the organisation itself, the head of the NYC chapter has already called for a financial probe into BLM's finances. BLM members themselves want the organisation audited. It is *entirely* possible that this money came from speaking fees and other assorted income as opposed to the donations, but regardless, it appears that founding the organisation turned out to be a highly lucrative business for her. Good on her, I love capitalism myself, but at least be aware of what's going on.

 

[tabzer]

You did do that, by bringing the irrelevant BLM organisation into the discussion.

You obviously don't know better.



We're not talking about any bigger issues. We're talking about whether it's reasonable for black people to want police to stop killing them or not, he says it's unreasonable.

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).



Right, you're trying to derail the conversation with irrelevant talk about the BLM movement. What has that got to do with whether it's reasonable or not for the police to kill black people?



Maybe you should stop assuming that everyone who accuses you of racist thinking is wrong. I don't call everyone with an opposing view a racist, only when you are being racist.



What do you mean "stick it to the police"? I'm talking about if white people started murdering more white people then should the police be allowed to murder random white people who act funny or allegedly use a fake note? As his argument was it's fine for the police to murder random black people

You are very disingenuous with your reply & you know it. All this acrobats to pretend you are not advocating racist view points is hilarious.

For avoidance of doubt, this statement is 100% racist.

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).

If you support it then you are supporting a racist statement, it is saying that you can punish all black people due to the crimes of a minority of black people.

Maybe I'm giving you too much credit to be able to understand why it's racist, I guess you have to be pretty dumb to be racist in the first place.

Enjoy living in twilight zone. You aren't even talking to me.

 

[Valwinz]

DC statehood is a powergrab by the dems hopefully it will go nowere

 

[Foxi4]

DC statehood is a powergrab by the dems hopefully it will go nowere

DC already has two electoral votes as per the 23rd Amendment and has representation in Congress via the DC delegate. Democrats just want to generate additional senators out of thin air. If they truly wanted the voters to be represented in Congress, they could return the land to the adjecent states at any time - that's not what they want though, they want to create a new state on borrowed land.

 

[smf]

Enjoy living in twilight zone. You aren't even talking to me.

I am, you're just so detached from reality of what was being discussed and what your thinking means, that you incorrectly believe I'm wrong.

Your life must suck.

I don't know why people are so opposed to the idea that the organisation's finances are highly suspect when one of the founders openly admits on tape that buying real estate for her family is her idea of enriching the black community. I quote:

Over the course of the last few years Patrisse Cullors purchased two smaller properties in LA, a 3.2 acre property in Georgia and recently a $1.4m compound in LA. Her current housing portfolio is worth in excess of $3m, and presumably it will keep growing. There's internal conflict over this within the organisation itself, the head of the NYC chapter has already called for a financial probe into BLM's finances. BLM members themselves want the organisation audited. It is *entirely* possible that this money came from speaking fees and other assorted income as opposed to the donations, but regardless, it appears that founding the organisation turned out to be a highly lucrative business for her. Good on her, I love capitalism myself, but at least be aware of what's going on.

I'm not opposed to the possibility that they could be suspect, black people and white people can both equally em-bezel money, however nothing that was said in that quote is actual evidence of anything suspect. I don't get why you think it's a huge revelation that someone would buy property for their family.

Do you also think it's suspect when it's white people who don't want to talk about their personal finances, like Trump constantly avoiding releasing his tax returns.

Of course BLM should be auditing their own stuff already.

 

[tabzer]

Your life must suck.

We aren't having race wars in Japan, so it must be at least a little better than yours.

If everything you said didn't hinge on a strawman, I'd suggest you have no purpose.

 

[smf]

If everything you said didn't hinge on a strawman,

Oh you learnt a new word that you think wins an argument. Good for you.

Now maybe someone will teach you what it actually means.

We aren't having race wars in Japan

Yeah right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Japan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53428863

What you mean is you like the way racism has managed to keep the non japanese down.

 

[tabzer]

Oh you learnt a new word that you think wins an argument. Good for you.

Now maybe someone will teach you what it actually means.

Your life matters.

 

[tabzer]

What you mean is you like the way racism has managed to keep the non japanese down.

Disgruntled minorities who are frustrated in adapting =/=.

 

[Foxi4]

I'm not opposed to the possibility that they could be suspect, black people and white people can both equally em-bezel money, however nothing that was said in that quote is actual evidence of anything suspect. I don't get why you think it's a huge revelation that someone would buy property for their family.

Do you also think it's suspect when it's white people who don't want to talk about their personal finances, like Trump constantly avoiding releasing his tax returns.

Of course BLM should be auditing their own stuff already.

I'd say buying multiple properties worth millions of dollars in such a short span of time after founding a charity is somewhat suspect, but then again, I'm good at identifying scams.

 

[smf]

I'd say buying multiple properties worth millions of dollars in such a short span of time after founding a charity is somewhat suspect,

That in itself isn't suspicious, you would have to know that they didn't have the money before they started the charity & that they didn't just have huge mortgages. You've skipped a lot of detail there.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrisse-cullors-topanga-house/

, but then again, I'm good at identifying scams.

I don't have enough evidence to validate that claim of yours & well it seems kinda suspect.

Can you name any white people you've been suspicious of? So I can see how well you do?

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Disgruntled minorities who are frustrated in adapting =/=.

Do you understand how bad that sounds?

 

[Foxi4]

That in itself isn't suspicious, you would have to know that they didn't have the money before they started the charity & that they didn't just have huge mortgages. You've skipped a lot of detail there.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrisse-cullors-topanga-house/

I don't have enough evidence to validate that claim of yours & well it seems kinda suspect.

Can you name any white people you've been suspicious of? So I can see how well you do?

I don't think I did - I posted the broad strokes. The article you linked says exactly what I said - that an allegation exists, but remains unproven. I also don't need validation from strangers, so we'll skip the part where I post a comprehensive list of my scam busting exploits, you can take my word for it or not, it's irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[smf]

The article you linked says exactly what I said - that an allegation exists, but remains unproven.

It's not exactly as you said, the properties weren't worth "millions of dollars" when they were bought and so far the explanation seems reasonable and the person making the allegation has failed to back up their claim and it seems purposefully vague

It said the home was sold “to a corporate entity that public records show is controlled” by Cullors, but didn’t name the corporation.

Seems they would only do that to give the impression to those who are just aching to think badly of her judge that the corporation was BLM.

The Post story published on April 10 also reported Cullors went on a “million dollar real estate buying binge” and claimed she spent $3.2 million “snagging four high-end homes.”

When you read past the headline and leading language, the Post story really describes two modest home purchases, one in South Los Angeles (formerly known as South Central) and the other in Inglewood. Both homes are in working class communities and were purchased for $590,000 and $510,000 respectively. Like most homes in Los Angeles, they have appreciated in value since their most recent purchase date.

Any suspicion seems better aimed at the person making the misleading allegations and those who believe them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...s-million-dollar-house-fox-news-b1831612.html

The truth is that we’ve been conditioned to believe advocates for equality and equity should, or do, have limited funds. But really, the whole attitude is upside-down. After all, isn’t equity about everybody having access to the same opportunities, each according to their need? Equity isn’t about people struggling together — it’s about thriving, and knowing that the only way we can all do that is by working together. Social justice movements like the one championed by Cullors work towards the understanding that we’re all important and should all be valued. That Black Lives Matter, too.

You know where I'm going with this.

I also don't need validation from strangers, so we'll skip the part where I post a comprehensive list of my scam busting exploits, you can take my word for it or not, it's irrelevant to the conversation.

In light of your post, I absolutely do not believe your claim and cannot take your word for it. I don't know why you bothered saying it if it's irrelevant, I guess you thought it was some kind of winning move.

 

[The Catboy]

DC statehood is a powergrab by the dems hopefully it will go nowere

I am also going to add that it's a slap in the face of Puerto Rico and other areas like Jefferson, which have been trying to become a state and kept getting shot down. But when DC becomes beneficial to become a state, suddenly our government is quick to start pushing to make it a state.

 

[Foxi4]

It's not exactly as you said, the properties weren't worth "millions of dollars" when they were bought and so far the explanation seems reasonable and the person making the allegation has failed to back up their claim and it seems purposefully vague

It said the home was sold “to a corporate entity that public records show is controlled” by Cullors, but didn’t name the corporation.

Seems they would only do that to give the impression to those who are just aching to think badly of her judge that the corporation was BLM.

The Post story published on April 10 also reported Cullors went on a “million dollar real estate buying binge” and claimed she spent $3.2 million “snagging four high-end homes.”

When you read past the headline and leading language, the Post story really describes two modest home purchases, one in South Los Angeles (formerly known as South Central) and the other in Inglewood. Both homes are in working class communities and were purchased for $590,000 and $510,000 respectively. Like most homes in Los Angeles, they have appreciated in value since their most recent purchase date.

Any suspicion seems better aimed at the person making the misleading allegations and those who believe them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...s-million-dollar-house-fox-news-b1831612.html

The truth is that we’ve been conditioned to believe advocates for equality and equity should, or do, have limited funds. But really, the whole attitude is upside-down. After all, isn’t equity about everybody having access to the same opportunities, each according to their need? Equity isn’t about people struggling together — it’s about thriving, and knowing that the only way we can all do that is by working together. Social justice movements like the one championed by Cullors work towards the understanding that we’re all important and should all be valued. That Black Lives Matter, too.

You know where I'm going with this.

In light of your post, I absolutely do not believe your claim and cannot take your word for it. I don't know why you bothered saying it if it's irrelevant, I guess you thought it was some kind of winning move.

No, I don't know what you're saying. Let's do a little math here before we get lost in the weeds.

$590k + $510k + $1.4m = $2.5m

Presumably the land in Georgia wasn't free, but let's assume it was for a minute because we're generous and we don't know the value of that fourth property at the time of purchase. We'll just *say* it was free to throw you an enormous bone, even though it obviously wasn't. Those are the three known values she purchased three properties for, we're not taking any appreciation into account, it's money paid. Is that, or is that not, a multi-million dollar property purchasing binge? I'm not having this conversation if we can't agree on simple facts.

I also don't particularly care what you think about my second statement - your opinion is what's irrelevant here, and immaterial in regards to the numbers discussed. As I said, I'm not looking for affirmation from strangers on the Internet. I don't need any special "winning move", the fact that she conjured up capital well in excess of 2 million dollars on what appears to be a whim *is* suspect. It's suspect to fellow BLM members as well, suspect enough to warrant an internal financial probe, it seems. If you want to accuse the black NYC head of BLM of racism against her fellow black BLM member, you go on ahead.

 

[Valwinz]

I am also going to add that it's a slap in the face of Puerto Rico and other areas like Jefferson, which have been trying to come to a state and kept getting shot down. But when DC becomes beneficial to become a state, suddenly our government is quick to start pushing to make it a state.

Pretty much agreed fully with this as a Puertorican. Puertorico would give neither party any sure political power