Poll: Does Nintendo need to back down their copyright

[Deleted member 546149]

If you haven't heard the Big N has been abusing their copyright

 

[Deleted member 546149]

 

[USUKDecks]

This is beyond stupid. It's like asking people who steal from a convenience store: "hey are you upset that they are now installing HD CCTV everywhere in and outside of the store?"

Of course the criminals are going to say yes! Everybody else buying stuff legit like, don't care.

The ONLY people who care about ninny fighting for their copyrights are the people who want to steal them and or just want everything in life to be free because they don't possess the skills/income/means...etc to obtain them legally.

People who buy games legit, couldn't care less about the copyright battles nintendo or any other company are involved in. this is just more little kiddie pirates whining and crying about them not being able to do what they want to and with other peoples properties. STFU and grow up already, move on.

 

[DoubleDate]

I agree with the person above. The ones that are crying about it are the ones that sees interest in doing something to gain something from it. Like name recognition, patreons funding and things like that. Its like You create an original movie with an iconic character, you make a good fortune of it and keep gaining then suddendly people steal your idea and then you are having losses, lets see if you still agree with the idea of stopping copyright. Nintendo have all the right to defend their IP'S. They worked for it, created it, it took years to get where Nintendo is now today. Best thing do is, be original, create your own characters and do something amazing with it. The idea of people using Nintendo related characters is because those are famous characters, if it was an Indie company, no one would care to use their characters because they are not famous enough. Try to use Konami's Castlevania's characters and see what happens

 

[Arecaidian Fox]

Meme compilation videos are not the way to make a point well, OP. At any rate, Nintendo has every right to protect their IP. But they need to change how they interact with the community to enforce that. There are plenty of examples of other rights holders embracing community content and turning quite a pretty penny doing it, without building up a massive pile of resentment. Also, to those posts above me, there is more than just recognition involved in deciding to use an existing IP to create something.

 

[DoubleDate]

Meme compilation videos are not the way to make a point well, OP. At any rate, Nintendo has every right to protect their IP. But they need to change how they interact with the community to enforce that. There are plenty of examples of other rights holders embracing community content and turning quite a pretty penny doing it, without building up a massive pile of resentment. Also, to those posts above me, there is more than just recognition involved in deciding to use an existing IP to create something.

Then if there is more than recognition, let them create their own IP's. Why dont they go after Sony characters or Konami's ones? Because they see Nintendo a a friendly company that would take a lot more heat in than any other bigger companies. If you create your own work, then there is no need for Nintendo to do a copyright cease and desist. Why dont people create a God of war fan game and let's see how that rolls? Or Capcom's Resident Evil series? if Nintendo goes lenient on their IP'S, anyone will be creating fan based and all kind of games with their properties.

 

[Arecaidian Fox]

Then if there is more than recognition, let them create their own IP's. Why dont they go after Sony characters or Konami's ones? Because they see Nintendo a a friendly company that would take a lot more heat in than any other bigger companies. If you create your own work, then there is no need for Nintendo to do a copyright cease and desist. Why dont people create a God of war fan game and let's see how that rolls? if Nintendo goes lenient on their IP'S, anyone will be creating fan based and all kind of games with their own properties.

Based on your response, I think you missed both my points, not just the one I was making about recognition.

 

[tech3475]

Whilst Nintendo does have a right to enforce their IP in the way they are, things like fan games does seem like a ‘yes you can, but maybe you shouldn’t’.

It also doesn’t help that allot of their retro games can’t actually be bought in ROM form, given that we live in the era of Android and the RPi and the NES/SNES mini are discontinued. Ironically, their more recent legal activity would have made more sense in 2006 than say 2018.

It brings new meaning to ‘Sega does what Nintendon’t’.

 

[Deleted member 546149]

The point of this poll was asking for if Nintendo has been overusing their copyrights. Not if copyright is right or wrong.

 

[Arecaidian Fox]

The point of this poll was asking for if Nintendo has been overusing their copyrights. Not if copyright is right or wrong.

I'd have to go with the classic "it depends" response. While I'd rather see ROM sites for retro content thrive, I understand why Ninty takes them down (but seriously, re-release your shit, Nintendo!). Fan content, mods and ROM hacks, especially those that use "clean" techniques being struck down, those are where they start to rub me the wrong way.

 

[Deleted member 546149]

I'd have to go with the classic "it depends" response. While I'd rather see ROM sites for retro content thrive, I understand why Ninty takes them down (but seriously, re-release your shit, Nintendo!). Fan content, mods and ROM hacks, especially those that use "clean" techniques being struck down, those are where they start to rub me the wrong way.

I understand your point of view, however taking basic things that are not or barely affecting their profits. For example, remember when Nintendo took monetization money. That hurt both youtubers and themselves. YouTubers could have spread the Wii U and they both made profits. At the end they got rid of it because of high criticism. Have they changed, no. Now people were able to get Melee online and they took it down because people would buy it instead of buy SSBU, however that wasn't that bad but when people started movement to allow it, the fact they completely deny the fans makes me mad. They are the reason they are profitable

 

[A Generic User]

I think before we entertain ideas or arguments like these we have to realize what Nintendo seems to actually be doing and what the evidence is indicating. And that looks like an extremely aggressive attempt to enforce an image of themselves, essentially to thought police its fans.

Because if you just say "Nintendo needs to lay off on people who make fangames and pirate their legacy content because nobody wants them to do so", you're advocating that nobody should experience any consequences for stealing someone's ideas or properties, worse yet making money off of it or using it to justify donations (hint hint). And that is a notion I thoroughly disagree with and would never want to see endorsed.

However... if the conversation becomes "should Nintendo exhort full control over their fanbase and how they perceive their games in every way possible", that is an area I really think Nintendo needs to back off. Being the IP holder doesn't give them absolute domain over the identities of their franchises and the appeals of their games: if it did, then frankly there would be no point to releasing their games at all because you can't offer any differing assessment to it. Yes, they are allowed to challenge the normal, but so is everyone else, and any empirical evidence that ever demonstrates they don't understand their own products would speak for itself.

This is a multifaceted problem that would hardly justify ordering Nintendo to never act against fan creators. But at the same time, it's hard to take Nintendo's efforts seriously when they aren't addressing the core of the problem and tackling scapegoats (and we've all seen that before, right?).

 

[Deleted member 546149]

I think before we entertain ideas or arguments like these we have to realize what Nintendo seems to actually be doing and what the evidence is indicating. And that looks like an extremely aggressive attempt to enforce an image of themselves, essentially to thought police its fans.

Because if you just say "Nintendo needs to lay off on people who make fangames and pirate their legacy content because nobody wants them to do so", you're advocating that nobody should experience any consequences for stealing someone's ideas or properties, worse yet making money off of it or using it to justify donations (hint hint). And that is a notion I thoroughly disagree with and would never want to see endorsed.

However... if the conversation becomes "should Nintendo exhort full control over their fanbase and how they perceive their games in every way possible", that is an area I really think Nintendo needs to back off. Being the IP holder doesn't give them absolute domain over the identities of their franchises and the appeals of their games: if it did, then frankly there would be no point to releasing their games at all because you can't offer any differing assessment to it. Yes, they are allowed to challenge the normal, but so is everyone else, and any empirical evidence that ever demonstrates they don't understand their own products would speak for itself.

This is a multifaceted problem that would hardly justify ordering Nintendo to never act against fan creators. But at the same time, it's hard to take Nintendo's efforts seriously when they aren't addressing the core of the problem and tackling scapegoats (and we've all seen that before, right?).

Who said that I endorsed emulation?

 

[Ryab]

If you haven't heard the Big N has been abusing their copyright

You can't just have a poll asking for opinions and try to tell people they are wrong for choosing the opposite answer from you.

 

[A Generic User]

Who said that I endorsed emulation?

I didn't say anything specifically about emulation though?

 

[linuxares]

This is not EOF (well now it is)

 

[Draxzelex]

I'm honestly surprised this thread was moved. And now that it has been done, let me just say one thing:

You can't just have a poll asking for opinions and try to tell people they are wrong for choosing the opposite answer from you.

 

[DoubleDate]

I think before we entertain ideas or arguments like these we have to realize what Nintendo seems to actually be doing and what the evidence is indicating. And that looks like an extremely aggressive attempt to enforce an image of themselves, essentially to thought police its fans.

Because if you just say "Nintendo needs to lay off on people who make fangames and pirate their legacy content because nobody wants them to do so", you're advocating that nobody should experience any consequences for stealing someone's ideas or properties, worse yet making money off of it or using it to justify donations (hint hint). And that is a notion I thoroughly disagree with and would never want to see endorsed.

However... if the conversation becomes "should Nintendo exhort full control over their fanbase and how they perceive their games in every way possible", that is an area I really think Nintendo needs to back off. Being the IP holder doesn't give them absolute domain over the identities of their franchises and the appeals of their games: if it did, then frankly there would be no point to releasing their games at all because you can't offer any differing assessment to it. Yes, they are allowed to challenge the normal, but so is everyone else, and any empirical evidence that ever demonstrates they don't understand their own products would speak for itself.

This is a multifaceted problem that would hardly justify ordering Nintendo to never act against fan creators. But at the same time, it's hard to take Nintendo's efforts seriously when they aren't addressing the core of the problem and tackling scapegoats (and we've all seen that before, right?).

I was with you there mate until you said that Nintendo shouldnt have the absolute domain of their franchises, Wut? They created it, they molded it, they spend money creating it, worked hard on it, days and night working on a project and you want people who are not connected in any way to Nintendo to use their project because they should? Why cant people create their on projects? That would be more better than using an IP that does not belong to them. Its like you opened a restaurant, you are the owner, you have assigned some staff and then suddenly someone else come into your restaurant and run your things, would you be pleased with it? No.

Creat your own IP, and you will never have that kind of problems. Dont also forget that you need permisson to work on one of their IP'S. If NIntendo says no, then you have tried it and better than working months on a project to just receive a letter tha you need to stop.

 

[A Generic User]

Why cant people create their on projects? That would be more better than using an IP that does not belong to them. Its like you opened a restaurant, you ae the owner, you have assigned some staff and then suddenly someone else com into your restaurant and run your things, would you be pleased with it? No.

Because some people just don't want to build projects from the ground up? And other times the end product would just come out better? Especially for games as innovative as Nintendo's, there comes a point at which it's less about protecting your IP and more about you're just upset when someone doesn't think the way you want. There's a big difference between letting people use your IP for money and letting people form their own opinions and have their own ideas for it. Extremism is still extremism.

 

[DoubleDate]

Because some people just don't want to build projects from the ground up? And other times the end product would just come out better? Especially for games as innovative as Nintendo's, there comes a point at which it's less about protecting your IP and more about you're just upset when someone doesn't think the way you want. There's a big difference between letting people use your IP for money and letting people form their own opinions and have their own ideas for it. Extremism is still extremism.

Do you even read your replies lol, no mean intentions intended. You just want people to use their projects because you think that fans do a better job than them? I dont see any logic in that. If people dont want to start from the ground up, that is understandable, but just going to steal other IP because you dont want to start from the start is not a best move to create some engaging interesting content.

People think that they can get away with stealing properties from Nintendo because they are family friendly. Its their products, their parts. The same as you buy a Playstation console or a Switch console, its your product, you do whatever you want because its your property. Hack, it, mod it, whatever you think that is fine, because you are the owner of the console. The same applies to Nintendo, its their work, people cant just go and steal their projects because they feel like they need to steal it. I havent seen any Resident Evil fan projects full fleshed out, and you know why.