Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[Cryoraptor]

Not because I said so. There has been a definite statement that there is no evidence of election fraud, even though every election has evidence of fraud. It's an issue that has never been put to rest, and it is a limit that is continually being approached. I do believe, that this time, there will be an outcome where everybody will agree. It's obviously not at this point in the dialogue, as you still disagree with me

'No it's not because I said so but basically yeah it's undeniable because I say so'.

 

[tabzer]

first you claim that those who see God will not accept proof, then you claim even people that don't believe in God will... do whatever the fuck that last string of narl words is you sure seem pretty religious to insist on capital G-O-D, so your original quote applies to you far more than you intended

You misunderstand my claim then. My claim is that people are arguing for their political outcome like people who argue about religion. Everyone is practicing faith.

the margin of victory was about 7 million
the website has about 2 million
2 million is about 28% of 7 million

Going off the cuff, almost every point of contention is enough to swing the whole election into a chaotic "who won?" scenario. It only takes one of them being right to making that happen. Your %28 evidence equals %28 of the vote doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Lacius]

You misunderstand my claim then. My claim is that people are arguing for their political outcome like people who argue about religion. Everyone is practicing faith.



Going off the cuff, almost every point of contention is enough to swing the whole election into a chaotic "who won?" scenario. It only takes one of them being right to making that happen. Your %28 evidence equals %28 of the vote doesn't make sense to me.

Believing in widespread election fraud despite lack of evidence is an act of faith. Failure to believe in widespread election fraud due to lack of evidence is an act of skepticism.

 

[tabzer]

'No it's not because I said so but basically yeah it's undeniable because I say so'.

Is undeniable =/= is becoming undeniable

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Believing in widespread election fraud despite lack of evidence is an act of faith. Failure to believe in widespread election fraud due to lack of evidence is an act of skepticism.

Believing that there is no evidence for election fraud is an act of willful ignorance.

 

[Plasmaster09]

You misunderstand my claim then. My claim is that people are arguing for their political outcome like people who argue about religion. Everyone is practicing faith.



Going off the cuff, almost every point of contention is enough to swing the whole election into a chaotic "who won?" scenario. It only takes one of them being right to making that happen. Your %28 evidence equals %28 of the vote doesn't make sense to me.

for the last time, I never said it equals 28% of the vote
if you seriously had that much evidence, no matter how sketchy, I might actually reexamine things a bit more than I do
but you don't
you have """""evidence""""" roughly equal to 28% of the margin of victory
to prove that Trump would have been the true victor, you'd need to prove that there were more fraudulent votes for Biden than he won by
you don't have anywhere near that many, and you likely never will

also... I'm not practicing faith
I'm practicing basic early-middle-school math
please practice something other than what you preach, because what you preach would get an F

 

[Cryoraptor]

Is undeniable =/= is becoming undeniable

This is meaningless and doesn't address the point in any way.

Believing that there is a lack of evidence for election fraud is an act of willful ignorance.

No, it's an act of acknowledging reality. 'well it's been speculated for so long so it must be happening and it's probably this one because a candidate I like lost' is not evidence, and dismissing such feckless claims is not ignorance. You are being played by your dear leader to stir the pot and spread nonsense to try and defy democracy and keep himself in power. The willfully ignorant one here is you.

 

[Lacius]

Is undeniable =/= is becoming undeniable

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Believing that there is no evidence for election fraud is an act of willful ignorance.

No evidence of widespread election fraud as been provided. It is physically impossible for a skeptic to believe in widespread election fraud while that continues to be the case.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Is undeniable =/= is becoming undeniable

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Believing that there is no evidence for election fraud is an act of willful ignorance.

It's not becoming undeniable either.

And there is some evidence- there always is- but a) it's unreliable and b) it's far, far, far, FAR too small to change the results in any meaningful way. Claiming the evidence you have is both reliable enough and large enough to prove that there was widespread fraud and that Trump was the true victor is like grabbing a handful of sand and claiming you just stole an entire pyramid like Vector in Despicable Me.

But it's worthless to try to educate you. After all, you treat Trump like some incorruptible absolute deity to worship and believe without question, and as you said... nothing will ever amount to proof for those who see god in their political ideology.

Oh, and while we're on the topic of vote tampering, what about the mobs of Trumpers, instructed by the man himself, that tried to force states to stop counting votes halfway through because most of the votes left to count just so happened to be absentee ballots for Biden? If illegally submitting ballots is voter fraud, surely illegally refusing to ACCEPT ballots is too, right?

 

[djpannda]

lol FMR Rep (R-SC) Bob Inglis "we should have pity on them for believe on that Q Anon cult"

 

[tabzer]

It's not becoming undeniable either

Yes it is. It is a trend. The starting point was "no evidence" and every day is more and more evidence. That is the act of becoming.

if you seriously had that much evidence, no matter how sketchy, I might actually reexamine things a bit more than I do
but you don't

I only need enough evidence to be convinced, myself. You might have impossible standards, maybe to the point of requiring your own government to admit to you, personally,"yes we are ****ing you over", when everyone else already knows it.

No, it's an act of acknowledging reality. 'well it's been speculated for so long so it must be happening and it's probably this one because a candidate I like lost' is not evidence, and dismissing such feckless claims is not ignorance.

Reality TV? It wasn't the simple act of a candidate losing that provided all these articles of evidence supporting something more substantial than that.

No evidence of widespread election fraud as been provided. It is physically impossible for a skeptic to believe in widespread election fraud while that continues to be the case.

Try being skeptical of your puppet show of a democracy, then come back to me about what a skeptic would consider.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Yes it is. It is a trend. The starting point was "no evidence" and every day is more and more evidence. That is the act of becoming.



I only need enough evidence to be convinced, myself. You might have impossible standards, maybe to the point of requiring your own government to admit to you, personally,"yes we are ****ing you over", when everyone else already knows it.



Reality TV? It wasn't the simple act of a candidate losing that provided all these articles of evidence supporting something more substantial than that.



Try being skeptical of your puppet show of a democracy, then come back to me about what a skeptic would consider.

More and more evidence, all of which is rather sketchy (mostly eyewitness) and still totals nowhere near a result-changing amount.

I don't have impossible standards, I just also look at the misses in addition to the hits. Every shred of """""evidence""""" piled up in favor of fraud can't even muster a third of the margin of victory, while all but one of Trump's numerous pathetic legal battles have all been losses that only served to prove things were legitimate.

"All these articles of evidence" are all about as flimsy as piss-coated tissue paper and once again DO NOT TOTAL ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE RESULTS.

Oh, and please GTFO with the No True Scotsman fallacy. A skeptic isn't no longer a skeptic just because he's skeptical about the thing you're (somehow deluding yourself into) believing as opposed to doubting the (frankly far less doubt-worthy) opposite!

 

[Cryoraptor]

Reality TV? It wasn't the simple act of a candidate losing that provided all these articles of evidence supporting something more substantial than that.

Ok, let's take your link's figure of just over 2 million fucked ballots. Biden won, and yes, that's the correct term, won, by over 7 million. So the election's result is still correct by 5 million votes and Trump still lost. Bye Trumptard.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Ok, let's take your link's figure of just over 2 million fucked ballots. Biden won, and yes, that's the correct term, won, by over 7 million. So the election's result is still correct by 5 million votes and Trump still lost. Bye Trumptard.

I hope he'll bother hearing my point now that you've restated it.
I figure there's a small chance, considering he believes that hammering in Trump's shoddy lies about the election results over and over might just serve to brainwash us too rather than just make him look like a lunatic.

 

[Lacius]

Yes it is. It is a trend. The starting point was "no evidence" and every day is more and more evidence. That is the act of becoming.



I only need enough evidence to be convinced, myself. You might have impossible standards, maybe to the point of requiring your own government to admit to you, personally,"yes we are ****ing you over", when everyone else already knows it.



Reality TV? It wasn't the simple act of a candidate losing that provided all these articles of evidence supporting something more substantial than that.



Try being skeptical of your puppet show of a democracy, then come back to me about what a skeptic would consider.

There is no evidence the election was a "puppet show."

 

[djpannda]

There is no evidence the election was a "puppet show."

I think he meant that the Q anon Trump supporter were the "puppet" as they were misled

 

[tabzer]

There is no evidence the election was a "puppet show."

So Lacius wants to be a politician. Oh well.

 

[Plasmaster09]

There is no evidence the election was a "puppet show."

Ironically, there is.
However, that puppet show is Trump trying to pull the President of Ukraine around on shitty little strings to get him to investigate his opponent's son.

 

[Cryoraptor]

I hope he'll bother hearing my point now that you've restated it.
I figure there's a small chance, considering he believes that hammering in Trump's shoddy lies about the election results over and over might just serve to brainwash us too rather than just make him look like a lunatic.

I doubt it. These people are the exact same ideologues who kicked up a massive fuss over Hillary losing in 2016 and came up with the russha conspiraceh, just going for the other side. The other side of the coin, if you will.

 

[Plasmaster09]

So Lacius wants to be a politician. Oh well.

I'd vote for him.
Better the devil you know (that is, the version with standards that's also well-acquainted with law and basic tenets of reality) than the one you don't (we may all know Trump, but his mind is such a labyrinth of purified Fucking Stupid that he's impossible to predict).
Then again, it's a low bar- and Trump makes most other people look like complete and utter angels by comparison.

 

[Lacius]

So Lacius wants to be a politician. Oh well.

Definitely not.