Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[Xzi]

It doesn't matter what he says. There's either voter fraud or there isn't. It will be proven before the courts now do I trust the system to overturn it for Trump even when the evidence comes out no I do not. But you Dems are always focusing on the wrong thing you don't care about the truth it's always "but Trump said this" deflecting deflecting deflecting.

If it helps for me to dispel a bit of misinformation, I believe Trump is 0 for 9 on election court challenges so far (there might've been even more failures by now, I'm not sure). There simply isn't any evidence or they would've supplied it by now. There are between 6-10 instances of known voter fraud in this election, most of whom are Trump supporters.

yes Please we need to double check the vote. because its like Christmas traditions.. for over 250 year the losing side makes outlandish claim without merit and force a mistrust to delay the results..
I warmly remember the year Roosevelt claim the other side brought millions of illegal I-talans to vote,, ahh the good old days

There will be recounts, but in certain states the Trump campaign would have to pay out of pocket for them, and Trump is likely to try to keep as much campaign cash for himself as possible in order to facilitate his legal defense as a citizen.

yea, there is no doubt the liberal did fraud... There no way the Trump lose, its not like record number of minorities voted..

Okay this reads like satire LMAO.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Come on I dug up the most illustrious examples of voting fraud in the US, prior to having the current system. That should be worth more, than a flimsy discussion about the use of emoticons.

oh your post is fine the way you type is just incredibly annoying

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Okay this reads like satire LMAO.

it is

 

[dude1]

Can't believe this thread is still going. Y'all are still gonna be whining about how Trump was cheated during the 2032 election, aren't you?

Anyway, I've had my more than my fair share of laughs by now, but here's a piece of advice: the longer you wait to truly accept your loss, the more painful it's gonna be. "Facts don't care about your feelings," as it were.

Why are you against either side looking into potential voter impropriety?

What is with the rush to judgment?

The Florida gore 2000 election issue took 37 to 38 days to call correctly that was one state with less evidence than there currently is for multiple states.
Up until that was investigated just like now the media called it for Gore,

it is true after all is said and done Trump may lose and I think most people on his side won’t cry if it’s proven that he did.
for the same reason there weren’t many flip outs election night, unlike 2016 for the left.

But To quote you and Shapiro Facts don’t care about your feelings

Currently the fact is:
no one has won or loss and we won’t know until the electoral college certifies enough votes to have someone win.
It could be Biden it could be Trump.

Hubris could be your sides downfall, I wonder what sides going to feel pain then?
Because let’s be real, let’s say one way or another Biden actually wins, assuming the Senate doesn’t flip which at this point it doesn’t look like it will.

Very little could get functionally done under a Biden presidency, which wont look good for him in 2024 and the rubber band effect could mean you end up with someone worse than Trump then.

Not to mention, so far you’ve lost house seats, then there’s all the judicial appointees etc. I feel like most of the left isn’t looking at the big picture and seeing even if the right looses they have already and are setting themselves up for big wins in the not so distant future.

 

[djpannda]

Why are you against either side looking into potential voter impropriety?

What is with the rush to judgment?

The Florida gore 2000 election issue took 37 to 38 days to call correctly that was one state with less evidence than there currently is for multiple states.
Up until that was investigated just like now the media called it for Gore,

it is true after all is said and done Trump may lose and I think most people on his side won’t cry if it’s proven that he did.
for the same reason there weren’t many flip outs election night, unlike 2016 for the left.

But To quote you and Shapiro Facts don’t care about your feelings

Currently the fact is:
no one has won or loss and we won’t know until the electoral college certifies enough votes to have someone win.
It could be Biden it could be Trump.

Hubris could be your sides downfall, I wonder what sides going to feel pain then?
Because let’s be real, let’s say one way or another Biden actually wins, assuming the Senate doesn’t flip which at this point it doesn’t look like it will.

Very little could get functionally done under a Biden presidency, which wont look good for him in 2024 and the rubber band effect could mean you end up with someone worse than Trump then.

Not to mention, so far you’ve lost house seats, then there’s all the judicial appointees etc. I feel like most of the left isn’t looking at the big picture and seeing even if the right looses they have already and are setting themselves up for big wins in the not so distant future.

yes we need to stop rushing the Voting process. Liberal like to think because we don't have any Real Proof of Fraud right now, that we have to accept the vote... PLEASE ITS not like we have to Show any proof in court.. just take my word for it ..Respect My Authoritah (South Park style)

 

[jimbo13]

He claimed there was fraud before the election happened & he claimed victory before the counting was finished.

Because there was fraud before the election, people were very vocal they were not comfortable and did not trust mail-in ballots being rolled out 3 months before a election outside of the process's normally used to establish election procedures.

These were unilateral decisions in most cases by AG, state senates are supposed to establish election protocol.

There was outcry all over the country prior to election that people did not trust the integrity of the election of the process's being changed last minute with no oversight, faith in the electoral process is more important than partisan not giving a fuck. Perception is reality, semantics aside the electoral system is now broken and you have 70-100 million Americans that does not accept the governance of Joe Biden.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

yes we need to stop rushing the Voting process. Liberal like to think because we don't have any Real Proof of Fraud right now, that we have to accept the vote... PLEASE ITS not like we have to Show any proof in court.. just take my word for it ..Respect My Authoritah (South Park style)

nobody's arguing that you can't sue in court, but anyone with a brain can see they're all frivolous lawsuits with no basis that are merely being argued for the sake of political gains

 

[jimbo13]

nobody's arguing that you can't sue in court, but anyone with a brain can see they're all frivolous lawsuits with no basis that are merely being argued for the sake of political gains

Democrats made partisan unilateral decisions to election protocols and procedures in the midst of a pandemic, despite vocal objections. So now that people don't trust the result, look in the mirror. You were warned. You broke it, You bought it and it's not going to payout what you are hoping for.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Democrats made partisan unilateral decisions to election protocols and procedures in the midst of a pandemic, despite vocal objections. So now that people don't trust the result, look in the mirror. You were warned. You broke it, You bought it and it's not going to payout what you are hoping for.

no election security protocols were loosened

 

[dude1]

nobody's arguing that you can't sue in court, but anyone with a brain can see they're all frivolous lawsuits with no basis that are merely being argued for the sake of political gains

If that’s the case the cases will be decided in Biden‘s favor and he becomes president.

Unless of course the left continues to try to block the lawsuits in which case there’s a timer where Trump can get a victory without a victory.
(While I think His most ardent supporters will be OK with him winning a victory that way, I think a large portion of the 71 million That voted for him would feel scummy if they won, not because their side actually won the vote but because the opposing team was unwilling to be transparent and go through the official processes for election disputes To their own detriment, being so shortsighted that they didn’t realize that those themselves are a couple of the ways they can lose)

so it’s in the left’s best interest to play ball, unless they are hiding something.

 

[djpannda]

Democrats made partisan unilateral decisions to election protocols and procedures in the midst of a pandemic, despite vocal objections. So now that people don't trust the result, look in the mirror. You were warned. You broke it, You bought it and it's not going to payout what you are hoping for.

YUP darn DEMO-Crats.. they have been controlling Georgia and Arizona for all these years.. with the senate and house and Governors.. I mean they even tricked us by having Republicans names tag too!!

 

[UltraSUPRA]

A world without faces isn't a world worth living in. (No, I'm not committing suicide, but many people probably will.)

 

[djpannda]

Unless of course the left continues to try to block the lawsuits in which case there’s a timer where Trump can get a victory without a victory.
(.

Yea the left keeps blocking the lawsuits by having them go to court and have them be thrown out by Republican Judge for not have proof.. STOP BLOCKING LAWSUIT BY WINNING THEM!!!

 

[dude1]

no election security protocols were loosened

Incorrect.
Some states had universal mail in ballots.
(E.g. An unsolicited Ballot gets sent to your last known address, unlike absentee you don’t need to verify anything or request it manually)
That in itself is a loosened security protocol.

Not to mention all the other potential legal arguments about ballot counters etc.

Not saying they are going to win, but just like any other person they’re allowed to day in court If they think it’s worthwhile to try.

 

[djpannda]

Incorrect.
Some states had universal mail in ballots.
(E.g. An unsolicited Ballot gets sent to your last known address, unlike absentee you don’t need to verify anything or request it manually)
That in itself is a loosened security protocol.

Not to mention all the other potential legal arguments about ballot counters etc.

Not saying they are going to win, but just like any other person they’re allowed to day in court If they think it’s worthwhile to try.

Just because Its made up Does not mean its not worthwhile
I remember when I went to court because I thought the mail man was stealing my mail.. I mean the fact I did not see or have any proof it did not matter... heck the fact that I didn't even live at the locate did not stop me ..ITs an American right to bring up frivolous lawsuit !!

 

[dude1]

Yea the left keeps blocking the lawsuits by having them go to court and have them be thrown out by Republican Judge for not have proof.. STOP BLOCKING LAWSUIT BY WINNING THEM!!!

You’re assuming it’s a Republican judge that would look at it, you’re also assuming that judge can’t be impartial.

but once again just to play devils advocate
let’s play your game, and the democrats obstruct for as long as they can, then they missed the EC deadline it goes to house delegations that lien Republican and they’re more likely to lose their then in court.

Even if at that point, let’s say the Democrats finally decide it’s worthwhile to fight, great it goes to the Supreme Court which liens Republican.
Then you have to remember Biden and Harris I have had personal spats with two of the supreme court justices, So if you thought they weren’t going to be impartial because they’re on the opposing political spectrum, then you must believe they’re gonna be extra likely to fall on party lines for that.

your best point at that level is the Supreme Court abstaining to rule on the matter in which case, The house speaker becomes acting president.
But considering your thinking lower judges can’t be impartial I don’t see why you think the Supreme Court justices would be any better.

I guess basically what I’m saying is, your best chance for Trump to finally lose is for each case to go to court and be struck down due to lack of evidence.
Now assuming you can run through the same logical conclusions, the only reason I can see you being against that Is if you think that there will be enough evidence for Trump to win those cases or at least enough cases to matter.

 

[djpannda]

You’re assuming it’s a Republican judge that would look at it, you’re also assuming that judge can’t be impartial.

but once again just to play devils advocate
let’s play your game, and the democrats obstruct for as long as they can, then they missed the EC deadline it goes to house delegations that lien Republican and they’re more likely to lose their then in court.

Even if at that point, let’s say the Democrats finally decide it’s worthwhile to fight, great it goes to the Supreme Court which liens Republican.
Then you have to remember Biden and Harris I have had personal spats with two of the supreme court justices, So if you thought they weren’t going to be impartial because they’re on the opposing political spectrum, then you must believe they’re gonna be extra likely to fall on party lines for that.


I guess basically what I’m saying is, your best chance for Trump to finally lose is for each case to go to court and be struck down due to lack of evidence.
Now assuming you can run through the same logical conclusions the only reason I can see you being against that Is if you think that there will be enough evidence for Trump to win those cases or at least enough cases to matter.

yah its not like there hasn't been already several lawsuit already throw out in Georgia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-third-battleground-state-lawsuit-of-the-day/

 

[Xzi]

Why are you against either side looking into potential voter impropriety?

I'm not against that. They can take all the time they want with recounts, and the court challenges are all being thrown out. At the end of the day, the results are not going to change. Recounts can change up to 1000 votes max (more likely around 500), and no state is going to finish their count with that close of a margin remaining. Again: the sooner you accept that, the easier it'll be on you.

Because let’s be real, let’s say one way or another Biden actually wins, assuming the Senate doesn’t flip which at this point it doesn’t look like it will.

It's going to come down the GA runoffs, but yes, there's a real possibility that Republicans could maintain control of the Senate and make the whole country suffer by stonewalling all legislation (including stimulus/relief checks). Just as there was a real possibility of Trump winning this election. OTOH, there's also a pretty big spark of hope in the runoffs for Dems, as it looks like GA will go blue in the general eventually (just to run up Biden's score further).

rubber band effect could mean you end up with someone worse than Trump then

This is also a possibility I've considered...but such a person would have to be incredibly subtle and subversive while simultaneously channeling Trump's overt racism and WWE-style showmanship enough to attract his base. I just don't currently see anybody in the Republican party who can walk that razor's edge, Tucker Carlson is the most common name I've heard mentioned for heir apparent LMAO. Should such a person come along in the next four years though, I'll recognize him pretty quick and GTFO of the US. If I'm gonna interact with the fourth reich, it'll be shooting at them as a citizen of another country.

Not to mention, so far you’ve lost house seats, then there’s all the judicial appointees etc.

Yes, I'm sure Trump judges will be as regressive as they possibly can within their limited role. But I'd also bet on a number of them losing their seats to misconduct; McConnell went for quantity, not quality. The House seats don't really matter, and every pro-M4A Democrat won their seat back. Meaning that if Biden does keep his promise to move the party a bit further left by the end of his term, Dems will continue to win on a platform of healthcare for all, criminal justice reform (including legal weed), climate change, et al.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

Incorrect.
Some states had universal mail in ballots.
(E.g. An unsolicited Ballot gets sent to your last known address, unlike absentee you don’t need to verify anything or request it manually)
That in itself is a loosened security protocol.

Not to mention all the other potential legal arguments about ballot counters etc.

Not saying they are going to win, but just like any other person they’re allowed to day in court If they think it’s worthwhile to try.

universal mail in ballots aren't secure, they don't just accept every ballot without checking anything

 

[ghjfdtg]

I think no one has a problem with investigating fraud. I would not. But i see no substance for the claims from the republicans. As i mentioned earlier isolated cases of fraud happen in every election and they are not relevant for the outcome. All poll watchers so far including republican and international ones have not noticed any large scale fraud attempts and if there would be any large scale fraud going on it would have been detected due to strict checks.

So as it stands the claims are standing on hair thin ice made of conspiracies.

 

[KingVamp]

Okay this reads like satire LMAO.

I don't blame you for not being sure, considering some of the other posts in this thread.