Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[notimp]

That's not how you spell checked moron, I bet your fingers are like brautwurst.

I bet I'm not an english native an dont use that word that often.

 

[jimbo13]

I bet I'm not an english native an dont use that word that often.

Yet your correcting a native english speaker on whether I was using fact checked reasonably, but thanks for letting me know you don't matter.

 

[djpannda]

Yet your correcting a native english speaker on whether I was using fact checked reasonably, but thanks for letting me know you don't matter.

yea YOU tell them about how horrible his Spelling and Grammar is , (otherwise we don't have a real come back for those liberals)

 

[dude1]

I hope you’re crying in January when Biden is inaugurated.

He very well may become President, that doesn’t mean that allegations of impropriety shouldn’t be investigated, not saying the Republicans are perfect, for all I know both sides cheated
But right now the side that pushed for a new style of voting with fewer layers of security, has also appeared to have all these glitches and other potential impropriety’s in their favor, They have also trying to Been trying to be less transparent and trying to prevent the legal challenges which only delay them.

The sad thing is, delaying the investigations could have Biden lose the election regardless.
If the EC doesn’t Certify the results by December 14th in those swing states then it goes to the state legislatures which happened to lean Republican, And even if it got challenge there eventually would go to the Supreme Court which leans Republican.

so Trump could literally lose the election and because of democrat interference when it comes to the investigations become president again.
So if anything you should be pushing your side to hurry the investigations along, Unless of course the Democrats actually do have things to hide which case keep doing what they’re doing and roll the dice.

that’s only one of the scenarios in which he can win assuming the lawsuits find nothing, of course if they find something that could also make it a win for Trump.

Another thing that could happen is faithless electors, if the electoral college electors for those states get convinced by the leaked Veritas videos or other news around all this they are legally allowed to vote their conscience so they could side with Trump even if Biden is the winner In those states.

Then there’s of course the most conspiratorial of the ways he could win, considering most of the left and said that he’s a dictator, Hypothetically he could go and use presidential directive 51 stating the civil unrest and the pandemic as the reason and use his authority to reform the government.
Don’t get me wrong I think that would never happen, it’s more likely that he would take the Loss Knowing that the Republicans are Most likely holding the Senate which means Biden won’t be able to get anything done then Trump would easily be able to run in 2024, Because let’s face it whether or not you believe in the dementia claims of the right for Biden, Trump feels much more spry for his age compared and if I had to pick one to still be functional in four years it would be him.

But yeah if all of those fail and if he isn’t the tyrant that the left make him out to be then of course by the January 20th deadline the presidency would fall to the speaker of the house.
Honestly I put that possibility only slightly More more likely than him reforming the government.

I wonder if you would be the one crying if he ends up winning a court victory back to the White House?
Really gets the noggin jogging

 

[djpannda]

He very well may become President, that doesn’t mean that allegations of impropriety shouldn’t be investigated, not saying the Republicans are perfect, for all I know both sides cheated
But right now the side that pushed for a new style of voting with fewer layers of security, has also appeared to have all these glitches and other potential impropriety’s in their favor, They have also trying to Been trying to be less transparent and trying to prevent the legal challenges which only delay them.

The sad thing is, delaying the investigations could have Biden lose the election regardless.
If the EC doesn’t Certify the results by December 14th in those swing states then it goes to the state legislatures which happened to lean Republican, And even if it got challenge there eventually would go to the Supreme Court which leans Republican.

so Trump could literally lose the election and because of democrat interference when it comes to the investigations become president again.
So if anything you should be pushing your side to hurry the investigations along, Unless of course the Democrats actually do have things to hide which case keep doing what they’re doing and roll the dice.unless of course the Democrats actually do have things to hide which case keep doing what they’re doing and roll the dice.

that’s only one of the scenarios in which he can win assuming the lawsuits find nothing, of course if they find something that could also make it a win for Trump.

Another thing that could happen is faithless electors, if the electoral college electors for those states get convinced by the leaked Veritas videos or other news around all this they are legally allowed to vote their conscience so they could side with Trump even if Biden is the winner In those states.

Then there’s of course the most conspiratorial of the ways he could win, considering most of the left and said that he’s a dictator, Hypothetically he could go and use presidential directive 51 stating the civil unrest and the pandemic as the reason and use his authority to reform the government.
Don’t get me wrong I think that would never happen, it’s more likely that he would take the Loss Knowing that the Republicans are Most likely holding the Senate which means Biden won’t be able to get anything done then Trump would easily be able to run in 2024, Because let’s face it whether or not you believe in the dementia claims of the right for Biden, Trump feels much more spry for his age compared and if I had to pick one to still be functional in four years it would be him.

But yeah if all of those fail and if he isn’t the tyrant that the left make him out to be then of course by the January 20th deadline the presidency would fall to the speaker of the house.
Honestly I put that possibility only slightly More more likely than him reforming the government.

I wonder if you would be the one crying if he ends up winning a court victory back to the White House?
Really gets the noggin jogging

yea thank you lets find more ways to create a coup to stop liberal because we failed to prove voter fraud,

sorry I mean in case we can't prove the voter fraud.. that exist in my gut.

 

[dude1]

yea thank you lets find more ways to create a coup to stop liberal because we failed to prove voter fraud,

sorry I mean in case we can't prove the voter fraud.. that exist in my gut.

I’m just saying, there are several legal avenues for him to win even if he loses.

I’m also saying that both sides should care about voter integrity,
if all of the legal challenges fail, Biden wins then 71 million people don’t think that the election was stolen.

If any of the legal challenges do decide the fate of the election, both sides should want the legitimate winner to win.
The investigations could turn up impropriety on either side or both.

even if it does, it may find there wasn’t enough to swing any of the district in which case Biden wins and Neither side feels cheated.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to investigate potential issues, the right to put up with the left’s unfounded Russian conspiracy theory for three years and it had less evidence than there currently is for potential voter impropriety.

it could be determined that all of these things are coincidences and could be explained away, like some of the regions with sharpie problems that aren’t actually problems, or the suspected dead voter that ended up being the son of that voter.

literally the only real reason to not want investigations is you’re worried they’ll find something and if it’s that then it’s not Trump that’s trying to perform a coup.

 

[notimp]

Yeah, thats not called fact checking ballots.

Also thats no way to find voting fraud that would actually work.

Because:

1. Votes are anonymous while being cast, and once cast.
2. For something to go wrong there, you'd have to engage in personal ID fraud. Which is unbelievably hard to do for 20k+ people in four states.

3. The individual voter is checked, by representatives of both sides (afaik) against a voting registration list. After that the vote is not being able to be traced back to that person. In the mail voting scenario, thats what the outer envelope is for. Which gets separated, thereby breaking traceability by design. If that would not happen, voting would not be anonymous, which would be bad.
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What you can do afterwards is
a. A recount. (Of anonymous votes)
b. A statistical sanity check, that may lead to a recount.
c. Analyse the voter registry lists, if they were 'sanitized' (f.e. black sounding names having been thrown out, or dead people not having been delisted).

How can you be that stupid, and that certain, of there being fraud in the air at the same time. You dont even understand how fraud would work. Or how recounts work. Or how the voting system works, or...

Believe me - when I tell you those extremist memes are targeted at stupid people. Because people managing those 'communities' dont want to deal with normal people getting in that scene blurting out every five minutes, what an absolute moronic nonsense they are seeing.

Also, while we are at it, each precinct has a count of how many ballots were sent out per mail, and how many came back, so the idea that you can dump 120k votes from another state 'at a place' is prevented by said statistical sanity checks.

Thats not possible.

Also, you roughly know the statistical return rate on ballots sent out for mail voting. That helps as well.

 

[djpannda]

I’m just saying, there are several legal avenues for him to win even if he loses.

I’m also saying that both sides should care about voter integrity,
if all of the legal challenges fail, Biden wins then 71 million people don’t think that the election was stolen.

If any of the legal challenges do decide the fate of the election, both sides should want the legitimate winner to win.
The investigations could turn up impropriety on either side or both.

even if it does, it may find there wasn’t enough to swing any of the district in which case Biden wins and Neither side feels cheated.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to investigate potential issues, the right to put up with the left’s unfounded Russian conspiracy theory for four years and it had less evidence than there currently is for potential voter impropriety.

it could be determined that all of these things are coincidences and could be explained away, like some of the regions with sharpie problems that aren’t actually problems, or the suspected dead voter that ended up being the son of that voter.

literally the only real reason to not want investigations is you’re worried they’ll find something and if it’s that then it’s not Trump that’s trying to perform a coup.

I agree with you.. The US has only being having Elections for over 250 year and we have yet to find any real voter fraud..
even Trump stated 6 million people illegal voters in 2016 and HE Personally made a Legal team to find it... the fact that that team has yet to come back with any info in 4 year... doesn't mean nothing. there bond to be some voter fraud otherwise how can Trump lose...

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so I'm misspoke... it looks like Trump disbanded the team from 2016 in 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html
maybe that why there so much voter fraud this election..

 

[jimbo13]

I’m just saying, there are several legal avenues for him to win even if he loses.

I’m also saying that both sides should care about voter integrity,
if all of the legal challenges fail, Biden wins then 71 million people don’t think that the election was stolen.

If any of the legal challenges do decide the fate of the election, both sides should want the legitimate winner to win.
The investigations could turn up impropriety on either side or both.

even if it does, it may find there wasn’t enough to swing any of the district in which case Biden wins and Neither side feels cheated.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to investigate potential issues, the right to put up with the left’s unfounded Russian conspiracy theory for three years and it had less evidence than there currently is for potential voter impropriety.

it could be determined that all of these things are coincidences and could be explained away, like some of the regions with sharpie problems that aren’t actually problems, or the suspected dead voter that ended up being the son of that voter.

literally the only real reason to not want investigations is you’re worried they’ll find something and if it’s that then it’s not Trump that’s trying to perform a coup.

Understand that the left doesn't intend to govern through faith in the electoral process, that's why they are not interested in maintaining election integrity. They think a bunch of beta soyboys are going to impose their will on people and the military is going to blindly enforce whatever they decide, they also are going to start importing third world replacement voters to swing states like they did in Minnesota and start displacing populations like China does in Tibet. I am glad I don't live in a population center because anyone that thinks this is going to go smoothly is in for a violent awakening.

 

[dude1]

I agree with you.. The US has only being having Elections for over 250 year and we have yet to find any real voter fraud..

Postmortems on previous Presidential elections have found voter fraud, just not on the scale large enough to change an outcome.

there’s also been fraud in smaller elections previously, such as primaries, city elections, county elections,even Senate and House races before.

so the claim there’s never been any real voter fraud is false.

But you could say there’s never been widespread voter fraud that is true,


it is also true that there Is the possibility that their isn’t any voter fraud in this election and as I mentioned above it could be honest mistakes, glitches or just look bad without all the information etc.

but the only way to find all that out is for the legal battles to happen, it sounds like you’re in favor of them in which case there’s nothing to really debate about.

But until all challenges are decided and one of the outcomes takes place to certify the election Biden hasn’t won yet and Trump hasn’t lost

 

[djpannda]

Understand that the left doesn't intend to govern through faith in the electoral process, that's why they are not interested in maintaining election integrity. They think a bunch of beta soyboys are going to impose their will on people and the military is going to blindly enforce whatever they decide, they also are going to start importing third world replacement voters to swing states like they did in Minnesota and start displacing populations like China does in Tibet. I am glad I don't live in a population center because anyone that thinks this is going to go smoothly is in for a violent awakening.

yea ME and Jimbo are glad we don't live in culturally diverse areas.. Because WE need to heavily guard our xenophobic way to make sure "THEM" don't take over

 

[Xzi]

Can't believe this thread is still going. Y'all are still gonna be whining about how Trump was cheated during the 2032 election, aren't you?

Anyway, I've had more than my fair share of laughs by now, but here's a piece of advice: the longer you wait to truly accept your loss, the more painful it's gonna be. "Facts don't care about your feelings," as it were.

 

[smf]

Entirely slanderous hyperbolic opinion,

It was in the US/UK trade negotiations, they wanted everyone getting such good prices from US drug companies.

What Trump says he is doing and what he does are two entirely different things.

that doesn’t mean that allegations of impropriety shouldn’t be investigated,

He claimed there was fraud before the election happened & he claimed victory before the counting was finished.

So forgive everyone who doesn't believe a word he says, because his actions makes him seem incapable of telling the truth.

How about the claim, that there has never been any statistically relevant attempt at large scale voting fraud, that anyone is aware of?

I think that is probably true. Large scale fraud would require a lot of people and the more people that know about fraud, the more likely someone gets upset and rats you out. So if we haven't heard about it then it's probably so small that it's irrelevant.

Trump is obsessed with voter fraud, he claimed that millions of illegal immigrants sneaked in and voted for hilary in 2016. Guilty people always think others do the same thing as them....

 

[notimp]

so the claim there’s never been any real voter fraud is false.

How about the claim, that there has never been any statistically relevant attempt at large scale voting fraud, that anyone is aware of?

Well - after the times, where votes were simply bought by your workplace/union/mob affiliate. In the before times in the US.
edit2: Removed bad example.
Better one:
Dang wrong country, still searching.

edit 3: Here roughly this:
https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2656&context=llr

But in modern history, voting 'like your job place would want you to' has become far less of a thing.

edit 4: And of course, this - also has become less of a thing: (Why its better that voting is now 'secret - and done in a public place'. )
http://sociallogic.iath.virginia.edu/node/192

 

[Deleted User]

Trump is obsessed with voter fraud, he claimed that millions of illegal immigrants sneaked in and voted for hilary in 2016. Guilty people always think others do the same thing as them....

It doesn't matter what he says. There's either voter fraud or there isn't. It will be proven before the courts now do I trust the system to overturn it for Trump even when the evidence comes out no I do not. But you Dems are always focusing on the wrong thing you don't care about the truth it's always "but Trump said this" deflecting deflecting deflecting.

 

[Deleted member 414991]

How about the claim, that there has never been any statistically relevant attempt at large scale voting fraud, that anyone is aware of?

Well - after the times, where votes were simply bought by your workplace/union/mob affiliate. In the before times in the US.
edit2: Removed bad example.
Better one:
Dang wrong country, still searching.

edit 3: Here roughly this:
https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2656&context=llr

But in modern history, voting 'like your job place would want you to' has become far less of a thing.

edit 4: And of course, this - also has become less of a thing:
http://sociallogic.iath.virginia.edu/node/192

alright just remove emoticons from the site entirely chuckles here cant handle them

 

[notimp]

alright just remove emoticons from the site entirely chuckles here cant handle them

Come on I dug up the most illustrious examples of voting fraud in the US, prior to having the current system. That should be worth more, than a flimsy discussion about the use of emoticons.

 

[djpannda]

It doesn't matter what he says. There's either voter fraud or there isn't. It will be proven before the courts now do I trust the system to overturn it for Trump even when the evidence comes out no I do not. But you Dems are always focusing on the wrong thing you don't care about the truth it's always "but Trump said this" deflecting deflecting deflecting.

yes Please we need to double check the vote. because its like Christmas traditions.. for over 250 year the losing side makes outlandish claim without merit and force a mistrust to delay the results..
I warmly remember the year Roosevelt claim the other side brought millions of illegal I-talans to vote,, ahh the good old days

 

[Deleted User]

I guarantee even if's proven without a shadow of a doubt there was voter fraud Democrats will not admit it's wrong or even bat an eye. Because you have no morals.

Your hate for Trump who was trying to destroy the establishment which is a good thing for both sides has blinded you.

 

[djpannda]

I guarantee even if's proven without a shadow of a doubt there was voter fraud Democrats will not admit it's wrong or even bat an eye. Because you have no morals.

Your hate for Trump who was trying to destroy the establishment has blinded you.

yea, there is no doubt the liberal did fraud... There no way the Trump lose, its not like record number of minorities voted..