[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[crimpshrine]

1. The story was posted on an extremist propaganda website.
2. But the link to the story is true.
3. Therefore, the story wasn't posted to an extremist propaganda website.

This is a logical fallacy.

I never made an argument that the story was true or untrue. Lacius did. Your failure to counter his rebuttal suggests that the story itself isn't true, which means you haven't satisfied either point 1 or 2.

Again, truth is truth.

You trying to twist things does not change that fact. LOL.

My point still stands.

Here we go again with Lum getting hung up on facts. He/she tries to wiggle around it, but it is there.

 

[LumInvader]

Democrats Don’t Need To Win Georgia, Iowa, Ohio Or Texas — But They Could
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...in-georgia-iowa-ohio-or-texas-but-they-could/

Biden doesn’t need to carry these states — he can win a comfortable Electoral College victory without carrying them. Trump does need them, however — but he also needs bluer states like Florida, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to win reelection. Similarly, Democrats can win a Senate majority without carrying any of the four Senate seats up for grabs in these states (none in Ohio but two in Georgia).

 

[UltraSUPRA]

It's over in Europe but still relevant.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Seat belt saves lives. Masks don't. Masks may save a small percentage of help but the majority of the people don't wear the masks correctly, they don't wear the right kind of mask and the loudest roosters who advocate for masks do what?.. Look at Fauci who was photographed without a mask on some baseball game sitting close to 2 other people. Look at Nancy who thinks everyone should stay at home but she gets to go do her hair. Look at Biden who puts down the mask to cough... and then puts it back on with the same hand he just coughed into.
Masks don't save lives, that's all there is to it. And the ones who politicize masks are actually the media and the democrats. I've seen countless bullying, intimidation of people who don't wear the mask - these are the very same "open-minded people" who put rainbows on their Twitter accounts and claim to believe in science. "Believing in science" does not mean you get to bully people on social media and the Internet because they don't believe that the masks work.
Same thing as BLM, really. Look at the statistics, look at the autopsy reports, look at the evidence. And even if there was this mythical "constitutional racial injustice"... nobody can show any proof of it. All you have to say is "say her name" - say the name of who? Of this "nice person" posing on camera with guns and a thug next to her? Don't do drugs, don't break the law and you'll be fine. She chose the opposite and paid for it. Look up the photos of Breanna Taylor and her boyfriend - very fine people posing on camera with guns. Look up the crime history of Floyd and the videos that show him dropping the drugs on the ground while lying to the cops about feeling bad. Look up the cop body-cam footage. There's no evidence of any of the "racism". The only evidence there is are the people who openly try to inject white guilt, "whiteness" (imagine someone even using the word "blackness" to describe blacks) and push this anti-white propaganda, "boycot white corporations" like BLM used to say.


And you know what else I can show you? A woman who was being intimidated into raising her fist for BLM, the very same way Nazis intimidated people before the war. Countless rap "performers" who sing about nothing but "ho*s", drugs and crime. Sickos who riot with disgusting rap-music on speakers while fighting police in Portland. Sickos who burn streets, cars and public property over a dead drug-addict who was high even during the arrest, who lied and resisted the mentioned arrest. Sickos who are afraid of statues and boxes of cereal. Where are these "white supremacists" at? Because I sure as hell don't see any of them fighting back against any of it. The best thing media could find was that teen guy... and even his case is crystal clear - self-defense against violent mob who tried to kill him.
Lastly, I find it ironic that it's okay to force white people to condemn white supremacists all the time, even though there's an actual hate group which was active not today and not even this year - antifa existed and caused chaos before this started. BLM was promoting their hateful marxist ideology way before any of it started, they couldn't hold a damn rally before 2020 and were seen as a joke. And what now? The media said "go" and you're going?

You support violent anarchy over the President who constantly condemned any form of hate group, including the white supremacists.

Oh, and if the last event with Twitter suppressing free speech isn't enough to make you see what is the evil - nothing will. Shame.

While I do actually agree with you on several points, there was just enough stupidity to earn you a spot on my ignore list. Another deplorable hypocrite.

 

[Doran754]

While I do actually agree with you on several points, there was just enough stupidity to earn you a spot on my ignore list. Another deplorable hypocrite.

add me as well, enjoy your lefty echo chamber dumbass.

 

[crimpshrine]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-campaign-ad-michigan-tech-ceo-struggling-bar-owner

There is just so much wrong with this. The "struggling bar owner" (co-owner) is actually a wealthy tech investor who is a Biden contributor.

And in the ad blames the President ultimately, not the governor that set restrictions!

Is this ad not a great representation of the democrat party right now? Its got something wrong with it in everything about it.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

add me as well, enjoy your lefty echo chamber dumbass.

Will do, dotard. Thanks for the tip.

 

[FAST6191]

Block lists?
Next you will not be inviting people to your birthday party.

 

[Doran754]

Will do, dotard. Thanks for the tip.

Dotard, imagine quoting a maniacal totalitarian murderer and acting like you're clever. Anyway like I said, enjoy your boring echo chamber.

Are we meant to be bothered some faceless nobody who can't make a good point, shuts down the conversation by blocking us that's straight out of the lefty playbook. Looking forward to you dying your hair blue and screaming in the streets on the 4th of November.

Here's a list of everybody who gives a fuck you've blocked them:
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lol pathetic.

 

[LumInvader]

@crimpshrine Also, moderators choose the question topics, not the commission. Your article source can't even be bothered to do basic research.

For shits 'n' giggles I decided to fact check this, Lacius. Here's what I found straight from the horse's mouth:

Kristen Welker, moderator of the Oct. 22, 2020 presidential debate, has selected the topics for that debate.

Subject to possible changes because of news developments, the topics are as follows, not necessarily to be brought up in this order:

Fighting COVID-19, American Families, Race in America, Climate Change, National Security, & Leadership.

Citation: https://www.debates.org/2020/10/16/moderator-announces-topics-for-oct-22-presidential-debate/

Kristen Welker set the topics for the third debate, not the Presidential Debate Commission! Likewise, Chris Wallace selected the topics for the first debate:

Chris Wallace, moderator of the first 2020 presidential debate, has selected the topics for that debate.

Subject to possible changes because of news developments, the topics for the September 29 debate are as follows, not necessarily to be brought up in this order:
The Trump and Biden Records, The Supreme Court, Covid-19, The Economy, Race and Violence in our Cities, & The Integrity of the Election.

Citation: https://www.debates.org/2020/09/22/moderator-announces-topics-for-first-presidential-debate-2/

In conclusion, you were correct. Jason Miller and thenationalpulse's claims of last minute question manipulation from the nonpartisan Presidential Debate Commission is pants on fire false.

Again, truth is truth.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Block lists?
Next you will not be inviting people to your birthday party.

Yup. Just like in the real world, I don't care much for engaging in conversation with complete morons. Bye, little fella.

 

[crimpshrine]

For shits 'n' giggles I decided to fact check this, Lacius. Here's what I found straight from the horse's mouth:


Kristen Welker set the topics for the third debate, not the Presidential Debate Commission! Likewise, Chris Wallace selected the topics for the first debate:


In conclusion, you were correct. Jason Miller and thenationalpulse's claims of last minute question manipulation from the nonpartisan Presidential Debate Commission is pants on fire false.

Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien said in the letter that the campaigns had already agreed foreign policy would be the focus of the third debate.

So then show me a link where she announced, or the commission announced the topics before October 14th.

Not following what you mean by I was correct.

Changed the date to reflect the date the bombshell came out.

 

[LumInvader]

Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien said in the letter that the campaigns had already agreed foreign policy would be the focus of the third debate.

So then show me a link where she announced, or the commission announced the topics before October 14th.

Not following what you mean by I was correct.

Changed the date to reflect the date the bombshell came out.

Now you're back to pedaling conspiracy theories. The moderator has final say, period.

NOT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
NOT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN
NOT THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES COMMISSION

The @#$%^ moderator. Can't you read?

Again, taken straight from the third debate's homepage:

Belmont University is hosting the third and final presidential debate of the 2020 election cycle on October 22, 2020 from 8-9:30 p.m. Central. The debate, which will be moderated NBC "Weekend Today" co-anchor Kristen Welker, will be divided into six segments on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate.

Citation: https://belmontdebate2020.com/about/

 

[Doran754]

https://twitter.com/realmarkkennedy/status/1318319214063685635?s=21

Check all these Black Donald Trump supporters.

Or as @Joom would call them, race traitors, uncle toms black white supremacists too stupid to know what they're voting for.

 

[crimpshrine]

Now you're back to pedaling conspiracy theories. The moderator has final say, period.

NOT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
NOT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN
NOT THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES COMMISSION

The @#$%^ moderator. Can't you read?

Again, taken straight from the third debate's homepage:

I am NOT backpedaling on anything.

The point of my original post was that foreign policy was removed from the last debate. And I posted an article reflecting that. And there are many other sources with the same article saying the same thing.

I don't care what it says, regardless of WHO picked the questions if you can't post a link to what they were before the 14th. They could have been changed after the bombshell dropped. So not sure how this proves anything.

Also foreign policy has been part of the final debate for previous presidential elections.


Edit:

I have looked and I cannot find anywhere the debate commission saying this was untrue.

With all the information I have looked at some of which was released AFTER I made my post.

It is he said, she said at this point.

Trumps campaign said they had an arrangement which was made through the debate commission.

Bidens said no such arrangement existed. And that the moderator chooses the questions.

I don't see anything from the debate commission saying either side is right. Just because the website says the moderator picks the questions does not mean it was not changed after the fact. A link to something showing the current topics before the bombshell would prove that.

As stated in Bill Stepien's letter:

As is the long-standing custom, and as had been promised by the Commission on Presidential debates, we had expected that foreign policy would be the central focus of the October 22 debate. We urge you to re-calibrate the topics and return to subjects which had already been confirmed.

He said 2 times it was agreed on with the Commission on Presidential Debates.

So I assume you can provide a link (I can't find one) where the Commission says that is not the case?

All I can find is Biden's Campaign saying it is not true. Which that is not by any means proof of it.

 

[Doran754]

Rudy G has just said Hunter Biden's laptop has been handed over to the FBI as it contains photos of underage children. Of course I'm sure this is all just a massive hoax and part of some Russian disinformation.

 

[Lacius]

Of course I'm sure this is all just a massive hoax and part of some Russian disinformation.

That's where all of the evidence points, yes. Come back when there's a real story.

 

[crimpshrine]

Rudy G has just said Hunter Biden's laptop has been handed over to the FBI as it contains photos of underage children. Of course I'm sure this is all just a massive hoax and part of some Russian disinformation.

Looks like the data itself was handed over to police if this is accurate.

And according to the audio I heard Hunter was discussing in emails or text messages (not sure which) with someone about him face-timing naked with a 14 year old girl.

Rudy said the text messages reflect the pictures.

 

[Doran754]

That's where all of the evidence points, yes. Come back when there's a real story.

Show me the evidence that its a massive Russian hoax, not surprised you aint bothered about the possible future President's son being a nonce.

 

[Lacius]

Show me the evidence that its a massive Russian hoax, not surprised you aint bothered about the possible future President's son being a nonce.

1. The FBI warned in 2019 that Rudy Giuliani "was being used to feed Russian misinformation."
2. We know the Russians' method of operations in 2017 in France was to hack emails, leak emails, but scatter fake emails in the real hacked emails to make them seem legitimate.
3. We know Burisma emails were hacked by Russia in January.
4. We know that the emails being discussed in this misinformation campaign likely in part came from the Burisma hack.
5. We know US intelligence analysts feared Russia would dump hacked and forged Burisma emails targeting Biden as an October surprise.
6. We know the FBI is investigating if recently published emails are tied to Russian disinformation effort targeting Biden.

This is a fake story. Stop pretending there is any evidence to the contrary, and stop pretending there isn't evidence that it's a fake story. You're peddling conspiracy theories and Russian misinformation.

The chain of custody regarding this supposed evidence is also laughable. Also, we know the New York Post reporters had reservations, since this story was pretty shitty.

If this part of the story were true (it's not), it also has nothing to do with Joe Biden.