[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[notimp]

But there is, at least one of the emails that were present on that hard drive was direct evidence that Joe met with someone from Burisma in April of 2015 which goes directly against against what Biden said before about that he had never spoken to his son Hunter about his overseas business dealings.

Which would be equal to 'lying to the public', with a motive of "we dont know why", could even be to protect the public standing of his son. Also, meeting with someone is not a crime yet. Neither is lying to the public on a 'personal matter'. What doesnt come out of the mails is a 'proof' of conflict of interest, that would have hurt the US in any way - or potentially could have. Great sensationalist concepts (even with sexvideo!), not much substance. And the authenticity of the mails is in question (hard to prove, either way. Not impossible. journalists are trying (Cross reference with Bidens official meeting calendar that day, ...)

edit: Also, if you were a journalist - and you would be confronted with a whistleblower that said the exact same thing 'the laptop allegedly said', you'd probably not bring it as a story, because you cant prove 'source integrity'. I.e. does the source 'know what they are talking about'? I.e. do they understand (because of their niche education level, because of their position within the company they are whistleblowing on, ...) what they are talking about?

I have laptop, with strange stuff on it! I promise I got it from Hunter! Doesnt really qualify... So you should be highly suspicious... Which is probably why Giuliani had to go to a yellow press outlet to get the story published.


That facebook and twitter are censoring here is the bigger story imho. Because even with good intentions (high probability this is just PR), taking direct influence on how stories propagate by 'turning a nub on the algorithm - for that particular one' - is basically destroying democracy.

Speaking in Alan Moore allegories (who is a crazy mad man, btw.. but with the right upbringing.. ):

We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world.

Except when it obviously cant, because you control the system over which ideas propagate.

and

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

To which the answer is - we all do, execept we cant if there is open media censorship in democracy.

Social media might still do it with the best intentions (we know what propagates in our systems, and its the most sensationalistic BS), but that they are doing it in this case (implied: and not in others,but even that they can do it in general) - is an issue.

Because you dont have a second facebook/twitter around (that would come even close in reach) - when you need them. And you cant easily found them.

 

[Joom]

THIS JUST IN, LEAKED PHOTO FROM ANONYMOUS EMAIL PROVES TRUMP IS OBESE FUCK WHO USES BODY DOUBLE. 100% REAL 2020!

Scientists say he's one KFC bucket away from throwing off the planet's rotational axis!

See, I can make up corny sensational bullshit too.

 

[notimp]

One other thing I just read is that 20 minute after the news break, Hunter Bidens lawyer called the computer repair shop and sent an email asking if he could have the hard drive back. And they say they have that email.

I also would want to know what allegedly infringing information im dealing with... If there is other stuff scheduled to be released. Regardless of if the laptop is mine or not...

Also, its hard to deny - that it isnt, when they have my sextape and personal photos. So they've got something of mine - Its still disputed what exactly though..

So can I have the incriminating material to see?

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Now I really have flashbacks to last election..

Feds examining whether alleged Hunter Biden emails are linked to a foreign intel operation
One email, which has not been confirmed to be authentic, suggested a meeting between Joe Biden and a rep from a Ukraine firm that once paid his son Hunter.

says MSNBC. They also say that the bureau has declined to comment.

First - so no Hillary 2. Good. Second, what the heck is this headline then? The reporters opinion?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...nter-biden-emails-are-linked-foreign-n1243620

edit: WSJs opinion piece that slams Biden, and provides some detail:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hunter-biden-business-11602803121

edit: Not behind a paywall when accessed from google:
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Hunter+Biden+Business

 

[crimpshrine]

So just so I follow this story: Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85. Hunter gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (Ignoring all the repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears, never to be seen again by the repair man. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up Rudy Giulliani some how and hands them the contents of these drives.

That Rudy sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.

Is this how stupid we are now? No one who does data recovery would read through thousands of personal emails, even if the computer is abandoned. You'd just wipe the drives clean and sell the computers used. If these emails were as alarming as it's being pushed, Giuliani wouldn't have sat on them for months.


And if Giuliani wanted to prove their validity, he'd turn them over to forensic experts.

You are attempting to discredit the possibility of what is out there already that we can see. I don't believe anything you have listed makes any difference to what we have now.

And on top of it, simply all they have to do is come forward and say this data is not real.

They cannot do this because it is not, do you believe these pictures are fake?

And has been reported Hunter Biden's lawyer called and emailed the store 20 minutes after the story aired asking for the hard drive back for his client. This again if true would indicate it is his. I am no lawyer but I would assume that alone since his lawyer represents him, it would be an admission of something.

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My response to you was about YOU treating this information as fact. It is not fact. Neither the laptop or the emails have been independently verified for authenticity.

The campaign has not one time said this information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Joe Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Hunter Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

They have had well over 36 hours at this point to make that designation. The furthest they would go was through a 3rd party say that it can't be true because the one email in question (the meeting in April) could not have occurred because Biden's calendar says he was busy

That is all FACT.

 

[notimp]

The campaign has not one time said this information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Joe Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Hunter Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

They have had well over 36 hours at this point to make that designation. The furthest they would go was through a 3rd party say that it can't be true because the one email in question (the meeting in April) could not have occurred because Biden's calendar says he was busy

That is all FACT.

Furthermore, he stated - yet if they do so - they'd legitimize the story, which is not at all about Joe Bidens behavior (in a legal sense, or in a worried about serious conflicts of interest sense (in all this Joe Biden, still represented western interests in the Ukraine conflict - which is largely non disputed), and would clog up the decision pipes of people with highly emotional content and rumors - with 18 days left until the election.

 

[crimpshrine]

I also would want to know what allegedly infringing information im dealing with... If there is other stuff scheduled to be released. Regardless of if the laptop is mine or not...

Also, its hard to deny - that it isnt, when they have my sextape and personal photos. So they've got something of mine - Its still disputed what exactly though..

So can I have the incriminating material to see?

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Now I really have flashbacks to last election..
says MSNBC. They also say that the bureau has declined to comment.

First - so no Hillary 2. Good. Second, what the heck is this headline then? The reporters opinion?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...nter-biden-emails-are-linked-foreign-n1243620

edit: WSJs opinion piece that slams Biden, and provides some detail:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hunter-biden-business-11602803121

edit: Not behind a paywall when accessed from google:
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Hunter+Biden+Business

We will see what comes in the days ahead. As I listed above, the FBI supposedly has the original macbook as evidence. It has likely been destroyed or lost by now. Will be interesting to see what comes of that. Because obviously if it is still available and unaltered and matches the drive data we already have then it is further confirmation.

I believe even if that is the case, there will be apologists that will justify it all though.

I don't care about that though, because even now if any of you believe this does nothing to Biden you will be mistaken. On Wed the 2nd most googled item was hunter biden. When social media decided to censor this when they have done nothing for numerous other things on much less with Trump they created the Streisand effect which caused normal people to want to know what the heck is going on.

This coupled with the joke of town halls last night do nothing to help Joe. It all only helps Trump.

The liberal media is heavily biased and people even normal people can see it.

I finished watching all of the town halls from last night and I would have to update my review from before:

(1 being lowest - 10 being highest)

George Stephanopoulos - Biden - 1.5
Savannah Guthrie - Trump - 8.0

If you are a common person who is on the fence still and you were to watch both, coupled with other events there is no way this whole mess is not good for Trump. Also the supreme court nomination, you guy have no idea how petty and crazed liberals seem right now from the common person do you?

That is why liberal media like CNN avoid showing that side of things. Like the hearings. They don't want their users to know how unreasonable democrats come off as.

 

[notimp]

We will see what comes in the days ahead. As I listed above, the FBI supposedly has the original macbook as evidence. It has likely been destroyed or lost by now. Will be interesting to see what comes of that. Because obviously if it is still available and unaltered and matches the drive data we already have then it is further confirmation.

Why would they destroy it? Pack it away in a warehouse. No? I'll predict that nothing will come of it, in the next 20 days - because the FBI doesnt want a Hillary 2 case - where they were accused of having influenced the elections, by announcing, that they are looking into Hillarys emails - with little to no results.

 

[crimpshrine]

Furthermore, he stated - yet if they do so - they'd legitimize the story, which is not at all about Joe Bidens behavior (in a legal sense, or in a worried about serious conflicts of interest sense (in all this Joe Biden, still represented western interests in the Ukraine conflict - which is largely non disputed), and would clog up the decision pipes of people with highly emotional content an rumors - with 18 days left until the election.

Again the emails directly prove something occurred that Joe said never happened. That he had no knowledge or dealings with his sons business over there.

Not only did he have knowledge, but he assisted in his sons business dealings WHILE vice president of this country. He is on video bragging about with holding 1 Billion dollars to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor.

This ties it all together.

And there is more! LOL It has been stated that Hunter indicated his dad always takes half their cut in any money they make. Hunter also had deals with China, and I am sure we will learn about more.

This really brings to light the TDS in many people I believe.

If you have no issues with what Biden or his kid do with these countries then you should not care about Trump who they went after on flimsy words that never amounted to anything. Yeah he was impeached by the house (democrats who still had not gotten over 2016) but you could plainly see when it never made it past the senate, they ripped everything apart the 1st day.

 

[notimp]

Again the emails directly prove something occurred that Joe said never happened. That he had no knowledge or dealings with his sons business over there.

Yes, and you never lie in your life? Question remains, how 'serious' is that lie? If its just 'saving face' over a possible 'indisgression', the smoke currently is bigger than the fire..

And by legitimizing it (saying the email is real) > more smoke.

Biden campaign is doing the right thing - because they dont have media pressure, and social media - basically did them a favor. Of the 'lets not have this blow up 18 days before the election' kind.

 

[crimpshrine]

Yes, and you never lie in your life? Question remains, how 'serious' is that lie? If its just 'saving face' over a possible 'indisgression', the smoke currently is bigger than the fire..

And by legitimizing it (saying the email is real) > more smoke.

Biden campaign is doing the right thing - because they dont have media pressure, and social media - basically did them a favor. Of the 'lets not have this blow up 18 days before the election' kind.

Look, I get it. You would legitimize anything they did.

Others won't. And this is now out there.

I think this that I posted previously summarizes things nicely.

 

[notimp]

Look, I get it. You would legitimize anything they did.

Others won't. And this is now out there.

I think this that I posted previously summarizes things nicely.

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No - Trump campaign did meet with russian intelligence agents. No allegedly.

Here is the deal in a best case scenario of completely invented, russian 'counter' intelligence is the bomb, and running the entire US media circuit by now.

We has hacked the DNC email, we has hacked the Burisma communication system (which allegedly they did). We got a prostitute (/honey trap) into Hunter Bidens room and filmed it. We smeared the Ukraine prosecutor to not do anything in the case connected to Hunter Biden. We also smeared people to raise public awareness, that this is outrage, the prosecutor is doing nothing in the case of Hunter Bidens company. We put together laptop with hacked information, and two fake email, and sex video - and leak laptop to "trusty laptop repair shop" (whose owner cant remember if he contacted the FBI, or the FBI contacted him ), we made sure our good friend Rudi got wind of it. Now we lean back and laugh at democracy destroying itself 18 days before the election.

Those are entirely made up, but potential issues you are running into.

So you ask yourself the important questions. Is this new information REALLY incriminating Joe Biden to an extend, where it would be needed for the public to know - here and now. No? Well lets let this play out (largely in the online rumor mill) 20 days from now - but not earlier.

 

[crimpshrine]

No - Trump campaign did meet with russian intelligence agents. No allegedly.

Here is the deal in a best case scenario of completely invented, russian 'counter' intelligence is the bomb, and running the entire US media circuit by now.

We has hacked the DNC email, we has hacked the Burisma communication system (which allegedly they did). We got a prostitute (/honey trap) into Hunter Bidens room and filmed it. We smeared the Ukraine prosecutor to not do anything in the case connected to Hunter Biden. We also smeared people to raise public awareness, that this is outrage, the prosecutor is doing nothing in the case of Hunter Bidens company. We put together laptop with hacked information, and two fake email, and sex video - and leak laptop to "trusty laptop repair shop" (whose owner cant remember if he contacted the FBI, or the FBI contacted him ), we made sure our good friend Rudi got wind of it. Now we lean back and laugh at democracy destroying itself 18 days before the election.

Those are entirely made up, but potential issues you are running into.

So you ask yourself the important questions. Is this new information REALLY incriminating Joe Biden to an extend, where it would be needed for the public to know - here and now. No? Well lets let this play out 20 days from now - but not earlier.

I have no idea what is going to happen in the days to come, but I think regardless of where this ends up it has not helped Biden at this point and I am glad for that.

I am glad that the media and big tech social medias attempt to censor this has back fired. And it is not a Trump thing for me for that. I think ALL should be treated the same, this is America and for platforms that large I don't believe they should be censoring anything from ANYONE. At least in America.

I know that probably sounds crazy to some, but this is America, it should be up to the people to decide what they want to believe or not believe. It has always been that way from a freedom of speech perspective. I also believe all drugs should be legal, if that tells you anything. I believe in America too many liberties over time have been taken away from citizens. Way too many.

I don't know what is to come but there is a good chance it will only get more interesting.

 

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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

Lol, wow..."Who do you want; god emperor Donald Trump, or some stinky, dumbass democrat who loves Mexicans?" The fascism is too strong, man. And you know this site is only meant for the geriatrics who don't actually keep up with anything beyond Fox News.

 

[Deleted User]

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

Lol, wow..."Who do you want; god emperor Donald Trump, or some stinky, dumbass democrat who loves Mexicans?" The fascism is too strong, man.

poll is completely disgusting. it's not even a poll,it's so blatantly lop sided that if this was asked as a scientific study (or contextualized as such) , the poll would immediately be thrown out and the person would be fired and any credit would go down the drain.
For those who somehow can't imagine how it could be recontexutalized. Here's how:
Do you you want to drink:
The worlds worst Lemon juice
or
apple juice

 

[Joom]

poll is completely disgusting. it's not even a poll,it's so blatantly lop sided that if this was asked as a scientific study (or contextualized as such) , the poll would immediately be thrown out and the person would be fired and any credit would go down the drain.
For those who somehow can't imagine how it could be recontexutalized. Here's how:
Do you you want to drink:
The worlds worst Lemon juice
or
apple juice

That's the thing; Republicans don't give a fuck about actual democracy, and they want to keep it a three ring circus in absolute perpetuity. I dunno who watched the Town Halls, but yet again, Trump couldn't answer a single question and just pivoted to how it's all the democrats' fault for the state of the country. "We're the best, and we're gonna do good things, because we're good and the best at doing good." Oh my fucking God...

 

[crimpshrine]

Of course he won't answer anything about it. Does not want to incriminate himself further.



https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1317275294194085888?s=20

And we have verification on this China related email now from one of the parties that Joe Biden profited from too now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm

One of the people on an explosive email thread allegedly involving Hunter Biden has corroborated the veracity of the messages, which appear to outline a payout for former Vice President Joe Biden as part of a deal with a Chinese energy firm.

One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of “remuneration packages” for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,” in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co.

The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

The campaign has not one time said this information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Joe Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Hunter Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

They have had well over 36 hours at this point to make that designation. The furthest they would go was through a 3rd party say that it can't be true because the one email in question (the meeting in April) could not have occurred because Biden's calendar says he was busy

That is all FACT.

In other words, you can't prove that the laptop and emails are authentic, or that Joe Biden met with the Burisma adviser. Obviously, this is impossible for you. The only facts that matter won't be known until after the investigation is complete.

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Of course he won't answer anything about it. Does not want to incriminate himself further.



https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1317275294194085888?s=20

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And we have verification on this China related email now from one of the parties that Joe Biden profited from too now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm

One of the people on an explosive email thread allegedly involving Hunter Biden has corroborated the veracity of the messages, which appear to outline a payout for former Vice President Joe Biden as part of a deal with a Chinese energy firm.

One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of “remuneration packages” for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,” in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co.

The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

If this turns out to be true, that would confirm at least one of the emails. The others, particularly the one confirming the alleged meeting, would still need to be authenticated. Some may be real; others could be forgeries.

However, you've been claiming this story to be true with no proof from the get go -- which is the wrong take no matter how the story unfolds in the future.

 

[crimpshrine]

In other words, you can't prove that the laptop and emails are authentic, or that Joe Biden met with the Burisma adviser. Obviously, this is impossible for you. The only facts that matter won't be known until after the investigation is complete.

There has already been a person on one of the emails that has confirmed it is real and they received the email in question.

Joe Biden will not say the data in question is invalid.
Hunter Biden will not say the data in question is invalid.
Joe's Campaign will not say the data in question is not valid.

It was reported that Hunter Biden's attorney had contacted the computer shop demanding the hard drive back for his client.

The pictures are real, the emails are already being proven (see above) to be real.

Not hard to see where this is going. And it is not done yet.

 

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Of course he won't answer anything about it. Does not want to incriminate himself further.



https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1317275294194085888?s=20

View attachment 229533

And we have verification on this China related email now from one of the parties that Joe Biden profited from too now.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm

One of the people on an explosive email thread allegedly involving Hunter Biden has corroborated the veracity of the messages, which appear to outline a payout for former Vice President Joe Biden as part of a deal with a Chinese energy firm.

One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of “remuneration packages” for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,” in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co.

The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

Dude, you are obsessed with this on an unhealthy level. If you want Trump to win so badly, why don't you go ahead and wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe? Because he doesn't care if you live. He doesn't care if the earth succumbs to irreparable climate damage. I just don't understand why you sacrifice your own humanity for someone that doesn't give a shit about you. Like, what has you convinced that Trump has your best interest in mind? Unless of course your interest lies in hating the LGBTQ scene and ethnic peoples, but your irrational hatred of these people isn't going to matter when you die by the hands of the Trump administration. I actually have sympathy for you and people like you, because you all bought the lie through fear and hate of your fellow man.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

There has already been a person on one of the emails that has confirmed it is real and they received the email in question.

Joe Biden will not say the data in question is invalid.
Hunter Biden will not say the data in question is invalid.
Joe's Campaign will not say the data in question is not valid.

It was reported that Hunter Biden's attorney had contacted the computer shop demanding the hard drive back for his client.

The pictures are real, the emails are already being proven (see above) to be real.

Not hard to see where this is going. And it is not done yet.

Are the pictures real or are they deep fakes? What irrefutable proof do you have that they're real? I will wait.

You've treated this story as fact in absence of verifiable proof from the very start. While the rest of us await verification, you already had your mind made up. This story is politically appealing to you, which you already admitted.