[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[gregory-samba]

Trump interruptions: 71
Biden interruptions: 22

And Biden's interruptions started long after Trump made it the precedent and he decided he wasn't going to be walked over. Please.

I'll put your comment in perspective.

David Kids Molested: 71
Richard Kids Molested: 22

Both are guilty it doesn't matter "Who did it more".

The entire debate was full of both Trump and Biden talking shit about each other. Barely any policy talk was done and that's all I really cared about.

 

[omgcat]

I'll put your comment in perspective.

David Kids Molested: 71
Richard Kids Molested: 22

Both are guilty it doesn't matter "Who did it more".

The entire debate was full of both Trump and Biden talking shit about each other. Barely any policy talk was done and that's all I really cared about.

that went from 0 -100 real quick. the level of false equivalency is mind boggling. interrupting someone is not the same as raping kids, and the fact that you think they are similar really speaks volumes about you,

 

[gregory-samba]

that went from 0 -100 real quick. the level of false equivalency is mind boggling.

Nah, it's not. Both of them were interrupting each other. It takes two to tango. They are both guilty.

 

[omgcat]

Nah, it's not. Both of them were interrupting each other. It takes two to tango. They are both guilty.

so you really think rape and interrupting are the same thing? that's gonna be a yikes from me.

 

[gregory-samba]

so you really think rape and interrupting are the same thing? that's gonna be a yikes from me.

No they are both very different, but my focus wasn't the act, it was just putting it into perspective. Both of them should have let the other one speak and not interrupt each other when it was the other persons turn. Both are guilty.

 

[IncredulousP]

so you really think rape and interrupting are the same thing? that's gonna be a yikes from me.

They're practically the same thing.

 

[crimpshrine]

You're posturing on incredibly flimsy ground here:

How Many Times Did Trump Interrupt Clinton In The First Debate?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...in-the-first-debate-depends-on-how-you-count/

Stating the truth is posturing?

LOL

 

[omgcat]

all in all, the behavior of the president and the vice president is incredibly off putting for seniors, and no republican has ever won an election without a majority hold on the senior voting block. there has been a 20pt swing in senior voters because they are scared that the president is throwing them under the bus by not protecting them from a disease that predominantly effects them. on top of that, the president and vice president have been showing TERRIBLE manners and decorum, and that has swayed older voters who remember what real debates looked like in the past. The vice president has swung female voters, especially boomers, away from the republican party with the disrespect to the two females on stage. It is not looking good fro trump.

If Biden wins both PA and WI, he can win the electoral college without needing AZ, FL, OH, MI, NC.

There is an 85% chance as of now that Biden wins PA, and an 84% chance that Biden wins WI, meaning he has about 71.4% chance of sweeping both.

it's not too hard to see why trump is shitting his depends right now.

 

[LumInvader]

Stating the truth is posturing?

LOL

You claimed Biden "set the precedent" by interrupting Trump first. You then went on to claim this flimsy "precedent" as the reason why Trump interrupted him over 3x as often.

I countered both points with evidence dating back to the first Presidential debate in 2016, where it was Trump who "set the precedent" by interrupting Hillary throughout the night, which you conveniently ignored. Trump went on to interrupt Hillary in all 3 debates, including looming behind her with the sniffles in the second debate, while interrupting her with the "nasty woman" insult in the third.

Citations:

First debate 2016: https://time.com/4509790/donald-trump-debate-interruptions/
Second debate 2016: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-election-2016/
Third debate 2016: https://time.com/4538271/donald-trump-nasty-woman-interruption-presidential-debate/

 

[crimpshrine]

You claimed Biden "set the precedent" by interrupting Trump first. You then went on to claim this flimsy "precedent" as the reason why Trump interrupted him over 3x as often.

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LOL, really reaching there.

We are speaking about the 1st debate, so you post links to something that occurred in 2016.

Yeah that disproves what occurred that night.

Funny before I brought that up it was never mentioned at all by any of you arguing Trump is bad he did it more.

Fact of the matter is Biden started it. You can post all the links you want trying to justify it, but he did.

You can see with your own eyes that night. Trump did not start it, Biden did.

 

[gregory-samba]

LOL, really reaching there.

We are speaking about the 1st debate, so you post links to something that occurred in 2016.

Yeah that disproves what occurred that night.

Funny before I brought that up it was never mentioned at all by any of you arguing Trump is bad he did it more.

Fact of the matter is Biden started it. You can post all the links you want trying to justify it, but he did.

You can see with your own eyes that night. Trump did not start it, Biden did.

It doesn't really mattered who started it as they both are complicit.

 

[crimpshrine]

It doesn't really mattered who started it as they both are complicit.

I think it does to some degree and is worth mentioning in the context of person X is worse then person Y because they did A more.

They were both in the mud, after Biden pulled him down into it first.

That is how it played out. I don't think it matters at that point that Trump threw more mud at Biden.

They both did a bad job in the end with that. But posting what lead to that is not incorrect.

 

[LumInvader]

LOL, really reaching there.

We are speaking about the 1st debate, so you post links to something that occurred in 2016.

Yeah that disproves what occurred that night.

Funny before I brought that up it was never mentioned at all by any of you arguing Trump is bad he did it more.

Fact of the matter is Biden started it. You can post all the links you want trying to justify it, but he did.

You can see with your own eyes that night. Trump did not start it, Biden did.

Claiming Trump only interrupted Biden because Biden interrupted him first is a disingenuous and flawed argument, as that statement falsely assumes that Trump won't interrupt his opponent if not interrupted first.

Case in point:

In 2016, Trump had already set the "precedent" that he'll interrupt his opponent more regardless of who interrupts first. He interrupted Clinton first, he interrupted her more often, and he was responsible for the first 5-6 interruptions in their first two debates:

- In the first debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 5 times before her first interruption.
- In the second debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 6 times before her first interruption.
- In the third debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 1 time before her first interruption.

You speak of "precedent," yet you conveniently ignore "precedents" when they don't fit into your pretzel logic.

Citations (every interruption documented):

First debate (2016): https://time.com/4509790/donald-trump-debate-interruptions/
Second debate (2016): https://time.com/4524739/debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/
Third debate (2016): https://time.com/4538271/donald-trump-nasty-woman-interruption-presidential-debate/

 

[crimpshrine]

Claiming Trump only interrupted Biden because Biden interrupted him first is a disingenuous and flawed argument, as that statement falsely assumes that Trump won't interrupt his opponent if not interrupted first.

Case in point:

In 2016, Trump had already set the "precedent" that he'll interrupt his opponent more regardless of who interrupts first. He interrupted Clinton first, he interrupted her more often, and he was responsible for the first 5-6 interruptions in their first two debates:

- In the first debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 5 times before her first interruption.
- In the second debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 6 times before her first interruption.
- In the third debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 1 time before her first interruption.

You speak of "precedent," yet you conveniently ignore "precedents" when they don't fit into your pretzel logic.

Citations (every interruption documented):

First debate (2016): https://time.com/4509790/donald-trump-debate-interruptions/
Second debate (2016): https://time.com/4524739/debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/
Third debate (2016): https://time.com/4538271/donald-trump-nasty-woman-interruption-presidential-debate/

Again, it does not change the facts of what actually occurred.

The moment Biden started it, it was on the table that night.

You can post all the links to whatever you want, I can also try and pollute the argument by posting related links to Biden's past behavior. (Which I won't do)

It changes nothing about what actually happened that night.

 

[LumInvader]

Again, it does not change the facts of what actually occurred.

The moment Biden started it, it was on the table that night.

You can post all the links to whatever you want, I can also try and pollute the argument by posting related links to Biden's past behavior. (Which I won't do)

It changes nothing about what actually happened that night.

Since you're doubling down on points that I've already refuted, they don't require further attention from me. I'm not going anywhere, so if you have something worthwhile to add I'll be here.

 

[crimpshrine]

Since you're doubling down on points that I've already refuted, they don't require further attention from me. I'm not going anywhere, so if you have something worthwhile to add I'll be here.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

What I said occurred that night, did.

Biden had the first 2 minutes, and Trump did not interrupt him and kept his mouth shut. FACT

I said that Biden was first to start interrupting. FACT

It is my OPINION that by Biden starting that, it was an open invitation at that point. And set the standard.

You can speculate all you want but I am going based on what actually occurred there in that room that night. Saying someone did something in the past does not mean anything or refute anything I said above.

Here is my original post again:

The 1st presidential debate was pretty chaotic.

Biden started the interrupting first, so he kind of opened himself up to that. It set the precedent.

And Biden had the opening statement, LOL.. Trump kept his mouth shut. I can see why Trump would get aggressive after that.

 

[LumInvader]

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

What I said occurred that night, did.

Biden had the first 2 minutes, and Trump did not interrupt him and kept his mouth shut. FACT

I said that Biden was first to start interrupting. FACT

It is my OPINION that by Biden starting that, it was an open invitation at that point. And set the standard.

You can speculate all you want but I am going based on what actually occurred there in that room that night. Saying someone did something in the past does not mean anything or refute anything I said above.

Here is my original post again:

The 1st presidential debate was pretty chaotic.

Biden started the interrupting first, so he kind of opened himself up to that. It set the precedent.

And Biden had the opening statement, LOL.. Trump kept his mouth shut. I can see why Trump would get aggressive after that.

All points already refuted. As gregory astutely pointed out, who interrupted who first is completely irrelevant.

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A brief aggregate polling update for 10-09-2020:

- Biden's lead has entered double digit territory for the first time, checking in at +10.1 points. A challenger leading an incumbent by this much so late in the election cycle may be unprecedented.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

 

[crimpshrine]

All points already refuted. As gregory astutely pointed out, who interrupted who first is completely irrelevant.

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

A brief aggregate polling update for 10-09-2020:

- Biden's lead has entered double digit territory for the first time, checking in at +10.1 points. A challenger leading an incumbent by this much so late in the election cycle may be unprecedented.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

As I have said numerous times what is fact, you have been unable to prove wrong.

Telling me something is irrelevant is not refuting either. That is called an opinion. Too funny.

 

[gregory-samba]

- Biden's lead has entered double digit territory for the first time, checking in at +10.1 points. A challenger leading an incumbent by this much so late in the election cycle may be unprecedented.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

It'll be a sad day if Biden wins as perverted people, illegal aliens, drug addicts and criminals will be allowed to run rampant in the country while collecting welfare meant for disabled or old people. The entire raising taxes to pay for the Green Deal will also not help. We'll also have what has happened to the Liberal cities happen the to entire country as it will get run down into the ground and cease to work correctly. The results will be very, very dark times. I hope to God Biden doesn't win.

 

[crimpshrine]

It'll be a sad day if Biden wins as perverted people, illegal aliens, drug addicts and criminals will be allowed to run rampant in the country while collecting welfare meant for disabled or old people. The entire raising taxes to pay for the Green Deal will also not help. The results will be very dark times. I hope to God Biden doesn't win.

They were almost all wrong in 2016 and people now are even more so not interested in sharing their opinions openly.

Did you see how telemundo deleted their poll after the VP debate. (Which Trump won based on Telemundo responses last time)

I find it more interesting that they deleted it.

I think this election is going to get very interesting.

Both sides are energized, and with all the screw ups they keep having with mail in voting that should fuel the fire in my opinion.