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MAGA Round 2?

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Well then don't be disingenuous by saying that Trump's administration is providing more opportunities for government workers/contractors when it's in fact providing fewer.
It's all baseless lie and assumption in an attempt to sound smart. In fact I'd go so far as to say he probably even believes his own lies, and deep down knows he's just making things he says (like what you've quoted) up.

Anyway, back into the darkness. Reading this thread isn't helping me any.
 

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Well then don't be disingenuous by saying that Trump's administration is providing more opportunities for government workers/contractors when it's in fact providing fewer.

Government jobs don't boost GDP. Private sector is where success lies. Do you want more innovation or do you want more auditors and prosecutors?
 

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In 2016 folks were excited about it and thought great things were going to happen (hence 'Great' in Make America Great Again) but it didn't turn out quite like many had hoped, a lot feel they were betrayed and all. Now Donald Trump is going at it again with the MAGA slogan/ideology and it seems many still fall for it.

Can't say I'm surprised when billions of people feel that being part of a political side (left and right) will ultimately make any change when it's actually the government itself and politicians, not some Average Joe. He promised US citizens to build the border wall but that's not finalized and may not (others don't seem to agree and want it done). Yet, there seems to be talks of Trump buying the country Greenland but hopefully that's just it, talks.

Personally, I don't take sides but support a person who I may agree with. In general I've not found anyone in politics around the world that seems actually genuine, most just, you know, lie their way into power.
I think Bernie Sanders will run, and win, and we will finally have universal healthcare (did you guys know California already pretty much has it under their medi-cal program, the only ones who dont qualify are people who own small businesses that makes over 35k (not a lot I know) or so, a few other states as well), or turn out in key areas wont be enough, and Donald Trump will win again, you gotta remember even if every single person in blue states go and vote, it dont matter, they will only win those blue states, its the other red and middle states (which also tend to have lower education ratings) that matter.

It also all depends on if people know to ignore the bs they read on facebook...
 
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Government jobs don't boost GDP. Private sector is where success lies. Do you want more innovation or do you want more auditors and prosecutors?
Between the tariffs/trade war and stagnant minimum wage, Trump is fucking over the private sector too. I was only calling out the contradiction between your two statements, though.
 

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I think Bernie Sanders will run, and win, and we will finally have universal healthcare
Yeah, I can't wait until 80+% of my income is stolen from me through taxes to pay for this. I get a warm feeling in my stomach imagining all the anchor babies, abortions, and sex change operations I will be responsible to pay for. Oh, I forgot about also having to eat my cats and dogs just to remember what food tasted like after we become a socialist country. Maybe I'll be able to sneak into Mexico, so I can work for less pesos than the legal citizens there.

Umm, no, Trump will win and everything will be great.
 
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Do what you say you're going to. Duck out of this thread already.
This is my favourite reply. It's made to make someone look silly. I totally intend to butt out... then feel that I need to reply because people are just... so... stupid. But nice try on attempting to call me out and make me look stupid. But, I'll try to butt out again. We'll see how long it lasts this time. Good argument, btw.
 

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Yeah, I can't wait until 80+% of my income is stolen from me through taxes to pay for this.
Even if you're trolling, that's a really moronic figure to pull out of your ass.

Not to mention Trump also promised universal healthcare back in 2016. Yet another reason his approval rating is slipping in states that voted for him.
 
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Even if you're trolling, that's a really moronic figure to pull out of your ass.

Not to mention Trump also promised universal healthcare back in 2016. Yet another reason his approval rating is slipping in states that voted for him.
Not trolling at all. Just throwing the same ignorant rhetoric back at those that seem to deserve it.

Bernie said his health plan could cost 30-40trillion. Throw socialism on top of that and the numbers make since. Who is going to pay that 30-40 trillion? Corporations? Think about the China tariffs and how everyone says we are going to pay more for their products/services. Talk about a recession! Will tax dollars pay for it? Where does tax money come from? Our imaginations? The US can't print that much money without making the US dollar worthless.

Stop reading off your leftist script and think about this matter with your own mind. #walkaway campaign

Trump wanted affordable health care for all which meant the government would subsidize it in a way. He needs to get the Democrats to stop wasting all our tax dollars on illegals and foreign aid before he can make his health care plan a reality. I blame the left and so should you.
 
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Trump's rally at SNHU Arena, Manchester, New Hampshire last night broke the all-time record for attendance at the venue. It was previously held by Elton John, for a concert with 11,300 in attendance. 11,500 were admitted last night before fire marshals said no more, and there were another 8,000 - 9,000 outside who watched big screens.

New Hampshire.
 
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Bernie said his health plan could cost 30-40trillion.
The current broken healthcare system costs us over $32 trillion, and a Koch brothers-funded study shows medicare for all would cost us roughly $303 billion* less.

*Had that figure wrong at first, mb.

Trump wanted affordable health care for all which meant the government would subsidize it in a way. He needs to get the Democrats to stop wasting all our tax dollars on illegals and foreign aid before he can make his health care plan a reality.
Trump had all three branches of government under Republican control for two years. If he wanted to make universal healthcare a reality, he would've done so. Instead, his priority was giving massive tax breaks to corporations and billionaires, so that's all he got done in that time frame.
 
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Trump had all three branches of government under Republican control for two years. I
This is true, but a lot of the Republicans were rino and never trumpers. Heck, I was a never trumper myself back then.

Remember his "draining the swamp" oath? He is not able to fire elected officials. He had to wait until they could be voted out of office. Unfortunately, now he has the Democratic ran house against him. If the house didn't waste so much time and effort trying to impeach him and investigating the Russian collusion hoax, maybe he could accomplish more.
 
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This is true, but a lot of the Republicans were rino and never trumpers. Heck, I was a never trumper myself back then.

Remember his "draining the swamp" oath? He is not able to fire elected officials. He had to wait until they could be voted out of office. Unfortunately, now he has the Democratic ran house against him. If the house didn't waste so much time and effort trying to impeach him and investigating the Russian collusion hoax, maybe he could accomplish more.
Just excuses. He's barely even mentioned healthcare once since being elected. It's an important issue to the American people, but it's not important to him.
 

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Just excuses. He's barely even mentioned healthcare once since being elected. It's an important issue to the American people, but it's not important to him.

Umm, ok, again put down your leftist provided script and do some research -
Trump health chief: Officials actively 'working on' ObamaCare replacement plan

This was posted on the 15th.

Oh, sorry, I don't think Vice news or CNN would report on this. That's most likely why you don't know how much Trump has been talking about his healthcare plan. My bad.
 
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Umm, ok, again put down your leftist provided script and do some research -
Trump health chief: Officials actively 'working on' ObamaCare replacement plan

This was posted on the 15th.

Oh, sorry, I don't think Vice news or CNN would report on this. That's most likely why you don't know how much Trump has been talking about his healthcare plan. My bad.
TheHill is just as left-leaning as either Vice or CNN lol. And Republicans have literally been saying this same shit since Obamacare passed, I'll believe it when I see it. So far they've produced jack.
 
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TheHill is just as left-leaning as either Vice or CNN lol. And Republicans have literally been saying this same shit since Obamacare passed, I'll believe it when I see it. So far they've produced jack.
Where's your health plan? Maybe you can give Trump and his admin some pointers on getting one out quickly since you're the expert on these things..... Oh no, nevermind. You would just give them AOC's plan - Everybody gets unrestricted healthcare and no plan on who will, or how to, pay for it.

Don't worry. Trump will give us all the best, the greatest, and most beautiful health plan you have ever seen, ever. It will be huuuuge. You will love it.
 

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What the fuck are you talking about? Nearly every governmental agency has had its funding slashed under Trump. Veterans and civilian contractors (my dad is both) have had their pay reduced and lost retention bonuses. I don't know about Canada, but in the US, the administration has made it very clear that they don't respect career government workers.
not only that. he destabilized the shit out of how hospitals operate day to day even though its barely talked about on the media. They re-framed their business models during the past 8 years to work within the bounds of the ACA and now funding for it has been thrown out of whack. Not talked about much but hospitals are one of the few sectors where layoffs ARE happening (people act like Bernie's Medicare for all would be horrible, nowhere near as bad as the uncertaintly being caused now) We are also talking about people who are the bread and butter of our healthcare system and not only the people doing billing before any smarty pants tries to bring that up.
 

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people act like Bernie's Medicare for all would be horrible, nowhere near as bad as the uncertaintly being caused now
@Xzi
Hey guys, I just decided to join your side. Would you please DM me the scripts and list of talking points we are supposed to use against the right wing Nazi scum? I lost the email from the DNC. I swear I'm not lying. Looking forward to working with you and punching those Nazi bastards.

Seriously though, come on! Just ask any Canadian how great their healthcare system is. We have a bunch more people than them and will need a lot more money, hospitals, and doctors willing to work for minimum wages. We are in no way in worse shape than we would be with universal health care. Trump's plan will be great. Just watch.
 
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@Xzi
Hey guys, I just decided to join your side. Would you please DM me the scripts and list of talking points we are supposed to use against the right wing Nazi scum? I lost the email from the DNC. I swear I'm not lying. Looking forward to working with you and punching those Nazi bastards.

how did you jump to that conclusion from my conclusions drawn on the state of our healthcare system. JLP. You are thinking again in republican "ALPHA MODE" and that is from the devil. UH-MAZE-IN. :D
 
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