Homebrew Discussion Can we please relax with the Boot logos?

[KirovAir]

TX might use sept right now. like on my idea, they can run sept in background and you only see SX bootlogo.
I would like to see anything similar in atmosphere. clean all that bootlogo sequence. one for all.
and if possible, an animation instead of a static image.

They were separated for a reason: Every part does it's own task. They can be merged together but then your switch would still 'reboot' to a different part of the file.
The reason why it are separate files is code separation and to make it modular. Atmosphere aims to be as modular as possible so you can replace the sept/bootloader if you have a better implementation of it.

The fun part for now is that team Atmosphere is by far the most capable dev team on the scene, so there is no reason yet to replace or merge parts in the boot proces.

WRONG, just because something is free or open source doesn't mean you don't have the right to complain. This is some dumb ass logic.

Also since its open source, its good to critique it so that it improves.

You can have constructive criticism, or submit a pull request. Complaining while not understanding the fundamentals of the software you are using is annoying as hell.

 

[The14thfly]

They were separated for a reason: Every part does it's own task. They can be merged together but then your switch would still 'reboot' to a different part of the file.
The reason why it are separate files is code separation and to make it modular. Atmosphere aims to be as modular as possible so you can replace the sept/bootloader if you have a better implementation of it.

The fun part for now is that team Atmosphere is by far the most capable dev team on the scene, so there is no reason yet to replace or merge parts in the boot proces.



You can have constructive criticism, or submit a pull request. Complaining while not understanding the fundamentals of the software you are using is annoying as hell.

While that is true that you can submit a pull request (pretty sure its already been submitted), saying that you should should be quiet because "iT'S fReE!1" is dumb. Free or not free, it should still be critiqued, and this is constructive criticism. The extended boot time due to the sept + atmosphere logos is there just to feed SciresM's ego and it's silly. It was placed there so that "TX doesn't steal atmosphere's source code" how ever tx managed to bypass the logo, so the sept logo still being there is extremely silly.

 

[toxic9]

in my case, i'm not complaining about so much bootlogos.
I just would like to express my opinion and leave my idea upon the table.
I think it would me more "professional" to remove so much bootlogos and turn them in only one nice boot animation!
I'm grateful atmos exists.

 

[smf]

TX might use sept right now. like on my idea, they can run sept in background and you only see SX bootlogo.

I don't believe that is possible. TX released their update before Atmosphere during the last key change, so they don't need to and certainly don't.

The reason why it are separate files is code separation and to make it modular. Atmosphere aims to be as modular as possible so you can replace the sept/bootloader if you have a better implementation of it.

No sept is separate because they want to protect their exploit. There is no technical benefit to it, previous releases were delayed due to them wanting to keep their exploits secret for as long as possible & this was one way round it. They keep the key necessary to build it a secret because they don't want TX to be able to change it to remove the logo.

 

[hippy dave]

I added my own boot logo for teh lols. Boot logos all day baby.

...honestly tho, atmosphere's new faster boot is awesome.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

I don't believe that is possible. TX released their update before Atmosphere during the last key change, so they don't need to and certainly don't.



No sept is separate because they want to protect their exploit. There is no technical benefit to it, previous releases were delayed due to them wanting to keep their exploits secret for as long as possible & this was one way round it. They keep the key necessary to build it a secret because they don't want TX to be able to change it to remove the logo.

Sept also requires certain key(s) to compile that the public don't have access to. Merging everything into one would mean that no one would be able to compile Atmosphere or any part of it without having said key(s).
This makes it harder for people to contribute as you can't test your changes unless you are part of the small group that is in on the knowledge. Which wouldn't be beneficial to anyone as it would hold back progress.

I would prefer if it was more open and the knowledge was shared freely, and if that was the case merging sept into Atmosphere wouldn't be such a big deal, but as it stands now keeping them separate seems the best course of action.
I understand there are reasons to keep some of the information private though. Sharing said key(s) with the public might not benefit anyone, as the general public should not have to make changes to sept anyway, and keeping it private at least makes TX' job a bit harder. So by that reasoning, keeping it private makes the most sense for the time being. This may change over time though.

 

[leon315]

Ditto on this, I hate how the free-CFW scene is so fragmented. If everyone worked together I am sure it would go faster than it already it.
Wait, you have nintendo icon. I don't get that???

THERE'S a reason why crackers keeps the founds for their own: there were some dragqueen drama who leaks Switch exploits on the wild, and there was a temper who even sold exploit to Nintendo betraying every us.

 

[toxic9]

Keeping sept separated is not the problem.
Dev can split atmosphere in 1000 pieces. each one with their own bootlogo.
He can then build a fusee-primary to run them all in a row (including sept) and show only one boot logo.
The problem is if he wants to do it or not!... it's a personal choice.

 

[hippy dave]

THERE'S a reason why crackers keeps the founds for their own: there were some dragqueen drama who leaks Switch exploits on the wild, and there was a temper who even sold exploit to Nintendo betraying every us.

Bigot much?

 

[leon315]

Bigot much?

wut?

 

[cracker]

It's not a big deal if you are just booting up once for an hours long game session. If you are trying to debug homebrew that keeps crashing the OS then it does get a little long and annoying.

I'm guessing the hekate bootwait is the only one that can be bypassed and the others have a negligible amount of time used to display the logos while processing in the background.

 

[Duo8]

Lol I only coldboot once every few months and I still want them gone.

 

[toxic9]

It's not a big deal if you are just booting up once for an hours long game session. If you are trying to debug homebrew that keeps crashing the OS then it does get a little long and annoying.

I'm guessing the hekate bootwait is the only one that can be bypassed and the others have a negligible amount of time used to display the logos while processing in the background.

Debug payloads are not the same as public releases payloads...

 

[ZachyCatGames]

Yes, and it proves what most of us said was true, and the screen display of the logos was really unnecesary.

No, most of you were saying the delays were artificial, which wasn't the case. The reduced boot times were the result of various speed optimizations in Fusee

 

[Bedel]

No, most of you were saying the delays were artificial, which wasn't the case. The reduced boot times were the result of various speed optimizations in Fusee

Aaaand they also were artificial as said in the release notes xD

Unnecessarily long splash screen display times were reduced.

Yeah, unnecesary seems to imply that "they were not necessary".

 

[hippy dave]

wut?

If you really can't figure it out - regardless of what the individual may have done wrong, referring to a trans woman as a drag queen makes you look like an arsehole.

 

[leon315]

If you really can't figure it out - regardless of what the individual may have done wrong, referring to a trans woman as a drag queen makes you look like an arsehole.

sorry, my academic english teacher didn't teached me what urban words. and i don't feel sorry, those ones are also thieves who stole Scires' works and published them without author's consent.

those dragqueens are even more dirtier as thieves.

 

[ZachyCatGames]

Aaaand they also were artificial as said in the release notes xD

Unnecessarily long splash screen display times were reduced.

Yeah, unnecesary seems to imply that "they were not necessary".

Take a look at the commits for 0.9.3... there were several optimizations in Fusee.

Also I’ve already tested if they were artificial, and the results showed they weren’t.

 

[hippy dave]

sorry, my academic english teacher didn't teached me what urban words. and i don't feel sorry, those ones are also thieves who stole Scires' works and published them without author's consent.

those dragqueens are even more dirtier as thieves.

Hm, thanks for confirming that the reason you look like an arsehole is that you're an arsehole.

 

[cracker]

Debug payloads are not the same as public releases payloads...

I wasn't using a debug payload.