3DS capture card maker Keity goes bankrupt

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Katsukeity (or Katsukity, depending on who you ask) was a well-known Japanese 3DS Capture Card maker. Supporting all models, as well as other systems (like the Wii U Gamepad and Switch), this means that soon it will be extremely difficult to obtain capture cards for systems other than the Old 3DS (which is supported by a seperate maker, Loopy). While you can no longer buy them directly, a European redistributor, Merki, still has stock, but it will not last forever.
Merki on Discord said:
Yes, this is true, He is bankrupt now. I do have some stock, I got last year stuff for around 100.000 € [~$114,000 USD] but this will last for some months.
I honestly do not plan to continue this business, it is too stressful
of course I will handle all my customers as usual - support and repair, but at a certain point I will stop selling them for good
(Transcribed from image)

So, if you want one from Keity you'll have to get one now, from Merki, as Keity's site (3dsvidocapture.com) is now dead.

Loopy might be creating capture cards for other systems now, but one thing's for sure - it'll be a while before we can get new capture cards again.

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I have but even though they explain it, not all of the parts are easy to come by and they don't ship outside japan. plus 1 of the nintendo official recently sold on ebay for over 3000 us dollars.
the thing is almost all of the parts are easy to come by. the custom pcb and ribbon cable arent but everything else can easily be bought off of something like digikey
 
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i did see this project awhile ago that uses a modded 3ds cartridge with a usb inside of it for (possibly) data transfer and capture video. it seams like he is busy so no updates yet, but i suggest keep an eye out: https://ahmedgeek.com/3ds-usb-cartridge/
That's very interesting...I do have an old sky3ds cart that I don't use anymore, so I might sacrifice it's case for experimentation. Using savedata pins with SPI is kinda questionable in the speed aspect. Maybe it's possible to use general data pins if Ninty didn't wire them directly into a emmc controller(though it seems like that might be the case). I think that guy's solution failed cause he tried using a replacement NOR chip, which, as 3dbrew states, needs to meet specific requirements in order to communicate with a 3ds properly using it's vanilla APIs.
These capture cards don't look too complicated, I am sure someone could probably come up with a clone in under a week. From what I can see all they are is an FPGA and like 2 other ICs with a micro usb port. obviously the software is probably a different story

they look like they cost under $30 to make
Hell yeah they're even cheaper that that! I remember finding an image with a katsukity board online and tried reading letters on the ICs. I found identical FPGAs sold on aliexpress for basically nothing. And the other chip is just a usb controller. I bet this board doesn't even do any compression of the data, it just sends the raw 8bpc rgb over the usb(the fpga just probably acts mostly as a shift register to turn the parallel binary signal into serial and probably muxes all the data togerther to just shove it into the usb ic). They just have a custom driver on the PC end to allow their program to read that data.
 
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Still wondering why TV-Out isn't standart with Nintendo devices from the get go.

then they wouldn't have control over what you do with the system you paid a buttload of money for. same reason you can't use any bluetooth headphones you want with ps4, only official/authorized headsets sony gets a kickback for allowing...

makes streaming/capture a pain, sure, but nintendo doesn't care, if it was up to them you wouldn't be allowed to do that at all without permission/kickbacks.
 

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even though I don't need one, i'm willing to buy one to support this guy. Hope everything works out for him in the future.
Its too late his shop had to be shutdown you can buy his product from the European site, but even support wont make much of a difference now
 
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It is feasible with an O3DS, there's a pinout diagram for video on 3dbrew wiki. The 3ds just sends a raw 8bpc rgb signal to the screens, so it's wouldn't require much to capture(I even a had a theory thag if could be possible to solder 8 bit DACs per colour channel and shove these three signals(along with vsync which is also present on the board) into a VGA plug and try it on a CRT monitor. While not being a capture method, it'd still be cool to play 3ds games with 0 latency on a CRT monitor). The N3DS should have the same design but there's no pinout diagram available publically on the internet(I could've figured it out on my own, but I don't have an oscilliscope, cause they're pretty dang expensive)
I was wondering about this, I don't want to pay the high cost for the USB mod, especially when I have an elgato. But whenever I tried to look this up, I would just get results for the USB mod and instructions on how to use it to play 3DS on tv via a laptop

I'd be happy to pay $100 USD for an hdmi out + linedouble mod like the n64 has
 

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Best thing the guy can do is make the schematics for making these capture card circuitry open source so that there could be more people to make and hopefully mass produce them. I've never, ever, been able to get Wifi streaming to work acceptably with my N3DS. Most of the time, 90% of the programs just flat out don't work. Even when it does, I would maybe get one frame every five seconds. And there's no excuse for such an app to basically require the entire network to be power cycled before I could feasibly try again. So on that front, a hardware capture solution would be better. But I'm also not spending $3k+ for a resold (N)3DS dev kit that would expect to output to two separate displays.
 

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Being able to capture/stream through the Switch in portable mode probably would have been the next idea
but then again the price would be very close to buying a new Switch.
 
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Being able to capture/stream through the Switch in portable mode probably would have been the next idea
but then again the price would be very close to buying a new Switch.
The switch outputs HDMI through it's USB port so I'm sure someone could figure out a cheap option
 
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I was wondering about this, I don't want to pay the high cost for the USB mod, especially when I have an elgato. But whenever I tried to look this up, I would just get results for the USB mod and instructions on how to use it to play 3DS on tv via a laptop

I'd be happy to pay $100 USD for an hdmi out + linedouble mod like the n64 has
Afaik, it would actually be more expensive since hdmi is a patented technology and companies owning patents like to charge way too much with their fees. If you want to play 3ds games on a TV then it would make sense, but if it is just for capture then the usb method will be better, especially considering that line doubling(or any other scaling for that matter) can be done in the recording software like OBS. If I ever get to building a 3ds vga agapter(as described in the post you quoted), I'd hook it up to a crt monitor that I have laying around. 3ds's video would certainly look much better on a crt and the fact that most crts have analogue sync circuitry means thag it will accept the native 3ds vsync and hsync frequencies(I actually tried checking it by simulating it with nvidia graphics settings on my pc and it did pick ip and display the signal correctly). The advantage of a vga adapter is that making it is as simple as eating a cake: just three DACs(maybe with something to compensate for slop in pixel clock, but idk how precise 3ds's screen timing is) and a VGA connector, some soldering...figure out how to put the console together with all the wires...profit?(question mark cause I haven't tested if this actually works, but it should)
 

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the thing is almost all of the parts are easy to come by. the custom pcb and ribbon cable arent but everything else can easily be bought off of something like digikey
You could probably get some company in China to manufacture the PCB you can get your hands on a schematic or trace the circuit yourself. Not sure about the ribbon cable though.
 

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You could probably get some company in China to manufacture the PCB you can get your hands on a schematic or trace the circuit yourself. Not sure about the ribbon cable though.
There are a lot of services for manufacturing custom made PCBs that aren't even based in China(though I guess chinese ones would be the cheapest). Making custom ribbons is problematic, but I guess if putting the console together with minimal external mods isn't the goal, then you could just use thin wires for this. Of course, doing it with wires will be a total mess and won't fit into the console, but for a diy solution it could be good enough
 

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The switch outputs HDMI through it's USB port
"USB port" doesn't mean "USB" though - it could be a so-called "alternate mode" where an actual video signal is output when an appropriate accessory is identified, as opposed to having an actual USB graphics card
 
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rip, people probably bought more n3ds' and used ntr, which lead to decreased sales
 

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You could probably get some company in China to manufacture the PCB you can get your hands on a schematic or trace the circuit yourself. Not sure about the ribbon cable though.
There are fab shops covering most things you would want to do, however if you do find a ribbon cable manufacturer willing to do small volume runs please do share. Several times in the past I have tried to contact any number of such companies with very serious offers for some low volume stuff and as about as good as it got for replies to emails were automated out of office messages, and those few with phones did not come back from the automated systems.
In those cases the hoarder mentality, me getting bored with a soldering iron and in another luck with some cheap devices we could cannibalise (the pound shop thought us odd for buying up a lot of toys that day) saved us in the end.

You could probably do it at home/in a modest nerd workshop -- kapton wrapped tape could be done with acid or a micro mill. Cutting would be fun but said same could possibly be done with a punch or a decent die and press (and being copper and thin film plastic said micro mill could possibly make you one, else that is the sort of thing more conventional machine shops will make you).
For some idea of where that would be heading


Obviously this would be far finer pitch but still within reason.
 

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